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Old 04-07-2011, 11:17 AM
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I didn't say you were wrong. I said you had valid points. So, I'm not obliged to prove you wrong.

You are so totally bitter. This is not without good reason, as I said.

It is your angry, aggressive attitude that I find offensive.
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Old 04-07-2011, 01:59 PM
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This thread is veering into a cyclical discussion and well off the original posters concerns.
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Old 04-07-2011, 04:06 PM
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It is completely on topic. My husband has experienced bitterness and anger, not directed at me, for exactly the same reasons. That the OP and others experience the same is relevant to the issue. I would expect this happens rather a lot when couples open their relationships.
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Old 04-07-2011, 04:25 PM
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You're right Peny, sorry I should have elaborated on my post; I simply meant discussing the tone of the previous posts...

I fully agree, and you know I love ya Penny... I faced that scenario and it can definitely breed resentment and bitterness, still does from time to time. Truth is that the previous posts over simplified the poly dynamic... It is true men have a harder time finding poly partners, but that's not to say it's as easy as previously implied by earlier posts for women to find metamours.

I think that the rejection rate is higher for men, but I am drawing on my own experience; and that's informed by where I live and the community I live in. My wife has been rejected because of Poly at least twice, and I told her the same thing she has been telling me....ultimately it's not you they are rejecting, they're rejecting your wife haha but actually they are rejecting poly and chances are good that if something drew them to you initially they wouldn't have any issue dating you if you were single...
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Old 04-07-2011, 05:03 PM
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I agree that a woman can very easily find sex. It is very true that all she has to do is say she wants it and there will be someone somewhere who will oblige her. Except in the case of rape, women are in control of whether sex happens, basically. I don't think TL is being bitter when he says that. Maybe his delivery wasn't the most polished, but... Being "disfigured or obese" (oy) isn't always even a factor - when a guy wants sex and a woman says she does, too, he's like white on rice. I don't mean this in a bad way, but it's like Pavlov's dogs in a way. Years ago, when I tended bar, I remember a male customer of mine telling me, "I don't care if your ass looks like cottage cheese, if you say "let's go," I'm there." LOL

I am a plus-sized women and lots of the guys I am attracted to on OKC don't respond. Some have responded saying they were not interested, and told me (when I asked) that they're just not into curvy women. However, I still get quite a few men contacting me every week. My lovers don't mind my belly, as long as they have access to everything else, LOL!

HOWEVER, finding a guy who is a good candidate for a relationship, and not just sex, is a whole 'nother ball o' wax. It is indeed just as hard or harder, I think, for a woman. And that's where selectivity comes into play. We have to weed out the creeps, or the guys that leave after they get the sex they want. We often have to deal with men who still harbor a Madonna/whore attitude toward women. If we say we want multiple relationships, a guy's ego or competitiveness often comes up. Many guys on the dating scene tend to want to run from commitment, and those that do want commitment to something substantial and long-term have a laundry list of requirements to see if the woman fits into a certain role he approves of. "It's been fun, but I can't get serious with you" kinda thing. That is my take. On a woman's part, there can also be self-consciousness about not being the mainstream ideal and the attitude that "all the good ones are taken" (or worse ideas) which come into play.

So, I think the difference is, men might have a harder time initially finding a woman, and women have a harder time keeping a man around. As for being more visual, that's an individual thing, I think, but I've taken courses in NLP so I know there is a variety of ways people take in information. I am very visual. I think both sexes will want someone they consider attractive, so of course they're both looking at pics first -- but each person's idea of what's attractive will differ. I, myself, tend to like the unconventional looking guy.

Now, how to get back on topic? I would say that the unfairness the OP feels could perhaps be due to some insecurities and feelings of ownership toward his "wife." I put that in quotes because I mean it as a role or persona, which is what my ex used to do. He had very specific ideas of what kind of Wife I should be, and I couldn't meet those requirements ultimately. When something like poly changes a relationship, there needs to be an acknowledgment that everything we thought about how our relationships should be has now changed. Maybe Esarati needs to grieve a little before realizing it's not only a death but a rebirth of the marriage, and something with wonderful possibilities for deepening the love and connection between the two of you.

Fenix, I would make sure you're not pushing Esarati beyond his capacity too much right now, and keep talking. When he says it's unfair, ask for specifics about what's unfair and drill down to the heart of the matter - the insecurity or fears underneath it all.
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