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Old 03-31-2011, 06:21 PM
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I have to disagree with you. I would never argue that monogamy is NOT natural for humans. It obviously is because we witness it in human populations. Arguing that something is 'more' or 'less' natural than something else, is, I agree, sort of pointless if sometimes entertaining.
You are arguing off the premise that I am arguing that only one of the two (and many other options) are capable of being natural.

I don't hold that stance. I don't think one is better or worse, or one is more natural or not more natural. I don't believe natural has to be ONE thing.

I guess I am relationship-nostic (hows that for a completely made up falste word)... I believe monogamy is natural for some, and poly is natural for others...I believe its the people that are fucking it all up with their religious and pseudo scientific views.

Its the zealots of the world that annoy the fuck out of me. Religiouns, pagan, poly, scientific etc.. zealots are annoyances...

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According to Sex at Dawn, bonobos do not practice infanticide. Offspring are cared for by the tribe, and even nursed by multiple "mothers." Knowing what I do about lactation, this means the infant/toddler bonobo drinks in the DNA from several mothers, thereby, to an extent, actually becoming biologically the child of more than one mother!
Yes there are cells (and with the cells DNA) in breast milk but drinking the breast milk doesn't incorporate that DNA into the child's system. The cells are simply digested and become nutrients for the child.
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Old 03-31-2011, 07:56 PM
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Its the zealots of the world that annoy the fuck out of me. Religiouns, pagan, poly, scientific etc.. zealots are annoyances...
Me too!
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You are arguing off the premise that I am arguing that only one of the two (and many other options) are capable of being natural.
Yup, sorry, totally misread you.
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I definitely think that a variety of relationship patterns are natural for humans, including monogamy, poly, etc. Pretty much the only science we have on the matter are statistics regarding fidelity in monogamous relationships, at which we, as a species, tend to fail miserably at. If society's premise is that "humans as a whole are only monogamous animals", their research on the subject has disproven their hypothesis.
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I definitely think that a variety of relationship patterns are natural for humans, including monogamy, poly, etc. Pretty much the only science we have on the matter are statistics regarding fidelity in monogamous relationships...
Actually we have dozens of years of anthropological research on dozens of "traditional" (pre-agricultural) cultures still practicing a hunter/gatherer lifestyle as well.
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Old 04-02-2011, 12:59 AM
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Actually we have dozens of years of anthropological research on dozens of "traditional" (pre-agricultural) cultures still practicing a hunter/gatherer lifestyle as well.
Agreed, tons of cultural studies, even some science like caloric intake, hours worked in a day, but I haven't seen any data on successful relationships and mating patterns. If you know of some, I'd LOVE to see it!
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Agreed, tons of cultural studies, even some science like caloric intake, hours worked in a day, but I haven't seen any data on successful relationships and mating patterns. If you know of some, I'd LOVE to see it!
Read Sex at Dawn. While you're waiting for the book, do a search here for the title. It's been discussed quite a bit.
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Read Sex at Dawn. While you're waiting for the book, do a search here for the title. It's been discussed quite a bit.
I've seen it mentioned a lot here - haven't read it yet, but it's on the "to read" list for sure!
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Old 04-02-2011, 04:02 AM
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Interesting. Not all of it well supported by science.
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