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Old 11-28-2013, 04:59 AM
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Well for what it's worth, I still use "guys" and "gals" ... though it doesn't jar me too much to say "guys" and "girls" ... even "boys" and "girls." Yes, I do believe men are sometimes referred to (and even refer to themselves) as "boys" (while admitting some men take the moniker "boy" as an insult).

They say pick an age you like and stick to it.

Re: boy = slave? Certainly used to ... Well, BDSM slaves get their night out once in awhile, don't they?

Guys' night out? Boys' night out? I think you could say either and get away with it ...

I admit "gals' night out" sounds awkward. No idea why.

Anyway, who can measure exactly how popular/unpopular guy, gal, girl, and boy is? I admit it seems like "gal" has slid down somewhat in popularity, but that's virtually just intuition on my part. I actually don't think it's slid down all *that* much. I always think of "gal" when I think of "guy."

Although, it's also true that "guys" is often used nowadays to denote a group of people of either or both genders. I do it. [shrug] The odd unpredictable evolution of language marches on. Note that this evolution doesn't always follow a logical path. People change; nations change; the world changes. With changes come "that awkward stage of" growing pains.

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"Maybe language will turn around again and it'll be in favor once more. Who knows?"
Who indeed!

Everyone must use whatever terms/language feels most comfortable to theirselves at their particular times and contexts. How we speak is part of our style; ergo, a swatch of our personality.

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"Hm. I would be troubled to be addressed by a number of words on that list that aren't flagged as offensive. Is 'Bint' is ever not used as a slur?"
Aha! Bad Wikisaurus, very very bad.

Outside that boo-boo, I think Wikisaurus mostly meant to show what synonyms *can* be used; not necessarily which synonyms *should* be used.

Re: gender-neutral pronouns ... always a safe bet for any occasion. But since I'm too sexy for my shirt, I'd proably walk into a bar and say, "Ladies." "Hey hey don't fight, there's enough of me to go around."

Re: dudette ... Oxford Dictionary word? Probably not. Wiktionary word? Yep (though it's uncertain if dudette would work as an interjection). Hey at least I didn't have to get street dirty and ping Urban Dictionary for the info.

Re: wicked ... gnarly's good too!

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"It tends to make sense that I'd grab bits and pieces that work in different situations. "
IMO, the English language is practically defined as a mass of bits and pieces we've grabbed that work in different situations.

No doubt English's millions (billions?) of dialects and dialectal variations vary from State to State, town to town, and person to person.

Interesting future prospect: Our great-great-great-great grandkids may end up speaking a mishmash of languages all rolled into one. Say 40% English, 30% Spanish, 20% Chinese, and 10% Jive.

Re: doll ... Wikisaurus missed that one! Oh the shame of it.

I admit I kind of think of "gal" as a word a Westerner (especially a cowboy) would use. (But I'm still comfortable using it, maybe because my folks and uncles and stuff were.)

Hey ... let's not forget "my brothers and my sisters." It's not just for church anymore!

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"It is one thing to be belittled and patronized by being called a girl by men, it is another thing to feel enjoyably youthful when women bond with their female friends and call them girls."
Ah, again ... a datapoint that how I'm treated (and how safe I feel) influences how I'll feel about what I'm called. Hell me and the guys call each other "pigs" all the time and we think it's hilarious.

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"Try this on: my girlfriend and I sleep and have sex together in the "master" bedroom. Should we call it the "mistress" bedroom?"
Heheh.

I don't think galroom would work though. (Gal bedroom? Hmmmm -- )
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Old 11-30-2013, 10:31 AM
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Kevin, beautiful post.~

What about what is appropriate in a "professional" work place?~

Personally I think "boys and girls" and "guys and gals" are not "professional" and take on a whole new meaning in the work place than they often do "outside" the work place.~

I noticed one time at a DEP meeting for the military I was attending as a DEP'er that one the recruiters used the term "girls" to refer to the only female there.~

I asked to speak to him afterwards and informed him that referring to women in a "professional" workplace especially the military as "girls" is grounds for "sexual discrimination" for some and even though some might find it endearing others might not and the military takes any thing "sexual related" very seriously at least that's what they have been telling me so far.~

I told him I usually refer to them as "young women".~

The situation was particularly a social error, because it took place within a military recruiting office and from what I've learned so far: they want to be especially "politically correct" because they are the public "face" of their particular military branch.~

No harm was done I hope, the recruiter in question was very tired as it was from his wife having baby so maybe he was slipping a little, and I probably won't know if the female DEP'er took offence to it as she shipped out the next day.~
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Old 11-30-2013, 03:43 PM
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Thanks Colors.

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"What about what is appropriate in a 'professional' work place?"
Do you mean, is "gal" appropriate in the workplace? I think you could get away with it in most workplaces. Maybe not the super-formal ones.

In a formal workplace, "men" and "women" will tend to the proper terms. "Gentlemen" and "ladies" for the really fancy places.

I don't think society's rules about what is or isn't the appropriate word/s for men and women are very cemented yet. There's some squishiness going on. I mostly try to just think of what words "feel" the most appropriate for the situation at hand.

And promptly prepare to apologize as necessary.

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Do you mean, is "gal" appropriate in the workplace? I think you could get away with it in most workplaces. Maybe not the super-formal ones.

In a formal workplace, "men" and "women" will tend to the proper terms. "Gentlemen" and "ladies" for the really fancy places.

I don't think society's rules about what is or isn't the appropriate word/s for men and women are very cemented yet. There's some squishiness going on. I mostly try to just think of what words "feel" the most appropriate for the situation at hand.

And promptly prepare to apologize as necessary.

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I just got confirmation about "informal words" use in the military, it is not acceptable on-duty for any one to use these terms in reference to any individual but under certain circumstances these terms may be acceptable if addressing a large group, the exception is in the case of the Recruiters because Recruiters must be a sort of "hybrid" of "civilian and military talkers" in order to be approachable and an understandable inter-medium between the "Civilian world" and the "Military world".~

But a recruiter told us, "When in doubt, always use the most formal terms possible and in the military that is always the Rank and Last Name.~" Calling some one by their last name alone is only acceptable between you and some of the same rank as you and whom you might have a friendly relationship with.~
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Ohh, the military and all its silly protocols. Just yankin' your chain, have no fear.

Actually I think it's rather generalized human (both military and civilian) protocol, when addressing someone you just met, to speak to them somewhat formally and cautiously. Then as you get more familiar with them you use more casual pronouns ... maybe even pet (or rib-poking) names if you like each other enough!
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"heyyyyyy laddddyyy"

that's what I use lol
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"heyyyyyy laddddyyy"

that's what I use lol
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"get funky"

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I know Chad Vader (after being auto-tuned by Obama Girl -- try some YouTube searching and see if you can find it) says, "I may be a freak. But I want to get freaky ..."
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Ohh, the military and all its silly protocols. Just yankin' your chain, have no fear.

Actually I think it's rather generalized human (both military and civilian) protocol, when addressing someone you just met, to speak to them somewhat formally and cautiously. Then as you get more familiar with them you use more casual pronouns ... maybe even pet (or rib-poking) names if you like each other enough!
The difference is in the military you are not even allowed to be friends with some one of more thank 3 ranks difference than you.~

That's going to be a challenge, but I think I'll adapt.~

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I know Chad Vader (after being auto-tuned by Obama Girl -- try some YouTube searching and see if you can find it) says, "I may be a freak. But I want to get freaky ..."
We're all freaks, because we are all unique.~
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