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Old 08-11-2009, 06:56 AM
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I'm not so sure Mark.
Do you know anything about the rise of "slut culture?"
Basically the rise of young girls rating their worth on their sexuality, as certain men see them.

Consent is key yes, but I fear that consent is given where it shouldn't be because of our cultures norms about sex.... things seem to be getting worse. What is the difference between North Americans and what they do to their youths view of sexuality due to our culture (advertising, music etc.) and what religious countries do to theirs with religious extremism.
I see little difference sometimes.

I'm not saying we need to ban stuff that influences people to think derogatorily about sexuality, but educate people. Talk about it openly and without fear and embarrassment. Hard to do, but so important so that when consent is given it doesn't lead to more disintegration of peoples ego, feelings of self worth and self love.
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Old 08-11-2009, 01:28 PM
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Do you know anything about the rise of "slut culture?"
Basically the rise of young girls rating their worth on their sexuality, as certain men see them.
I think a lot of this goes hand-in-hand with the "stud culture" where guys are value and are valued by how many women they sleep with. I remember feeling a lot of pressure to lose my virginity when I was in high school. I lost my virginity at 17 and I was so glad then that I would not worry about having to be a potential target of jokes about virgins.

I think the conservatives have really screwed with the abstinance "education." Now, kids who want to choose to have sex until later sound like religious zealots.

I have two girls that are in high school. In middle school, they felt a lot of pressure to be bisexual. Their mother and I were able to talk to them that it is ok to be bi, but they should not be bi out of peer pressure. They liked the idea of being true to themselves.

I think the key components are sexual education and self confidence to get kids to aim for a healthier sexual outlook.
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Old 08-11-2009, 01:45 PM
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Good points raised by both RP and Quath......my comments were generalized, meant to be aimed toward the adults here and not pointed toward the youth just starting out in the sexual world. They clearly require more teaching, more self respect....maybe more values? Not to be confused with religious zealots but they need something. I am especially appalled at the young women chasing down my 20 and 21 year old sons. It's really rather disgusting, and as most people here know by now, I'm no prude!
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:11 PM
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I am especially appalled at the young women chasing down my 20 and 21 year old sons. It's really rather disgusting, and as most people here know by now, I'm no prude!
What age are these women? Is it their age which causes this disgust? ... If not, what is the cause?
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:29 PM
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The "slut culture" is all the rage here in party Florida! Alcohol is widely abused by young kids who don't know how and can't handle it. The 17, 18, 19 year old girls bedding one guy after another every night of the week is pretty yucky. Most times they are so drunk, they don't even know who they're with. The worst part is, it's not just on Fri or Sat nights but every night of the week! Most kids going to college aren't going to finish their degrees down here in 5 or 6 years because of this lifestyle! My sons are great guys, decent looking, respectful, etc.....they are being swarmed by these girls like an apple pie left open on the blanket at a June picnic! Don't get me wrong, I'm all for my sons living large but the behavior of these young women is so way over the edge, it's highly worrisome. I bless myself everyday that I didn't have girls!
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:43 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I'm all for my sons living large but the behavior of these young women is so way over the edge, it's highly worrisome. I bless myself everyday that I didn't have girls!
Oh throw me in the briar patch already.
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:49 PM
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Ah. I see.

It's all rather complicated, isn't it? It used to be that the popular culture was FAR more on the side of the "don't go there until you're married" (with a bit of talk about not giving milk away for free and requiring the purchase of the cow). So it looks like a case of "out of the frying pan and into the fire".

Why are so few teaching their kids that sex is okay, but risky, etc.? The risks can be addressed, etc.... And, anyhow, sex with someone you actually care about is SO much better than being used up by a drunken whore.... Why aren't these "values" being taught?
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Old 08-11-2009, 05:09 PM
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I've tried to teach them (some semblance of decency values) to my boys, and for the most part they've listened and behaved better than most while still enjoying life. It's just scary, what's gotten into the young women of today. Could it be they modeled themselves after the aggressive male roles they've been witness to in our society while growing up? This is statistically being borne out in road rage and aggressive driving stats kept by the car insurance companies. Used to be teen boys had the highest death rates and highest insurance coverage, teen women drivers have now pulled up right along side in the stats.
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I could so go off on what 70's feminism has done to young girls today in creating imbalance in our society! I was raised by a feminist mother and took some womens studies courses at uni...I know what it did to me. Nothing bad necessarily, but it can make women driven and determined, over the edge, to one up men. That can back fire when it is turned into selfishness and lack of responsibility for all in our society. Now that I raise a son and look at the feminization of schools etc., I see first hand what has been created (feminization of schools is an interesting search too). I can only imagine what it would of done to my daughter if I had one. I won't go on. This is for another forum! Heh... Get so passionate.

I believe its also called "skank" culture as well as "slut" culture. Worth a google.

This kind of knowledge of what "skank/slut" culture is is what actually tipped me over from swinging and identifying as having an open relationship to polyamory. I was sick of being used to masterbate in. I talked to Mono about this the other day and agreed that its the difference between connecting with someone you love when you have sex as in poly, or connecting with your sexual desire, like masterbating, in swinging etc. I feel truly sorry for anyone who has not connected to their partner when having sex. There is really nothing as rewarding. Sure swinging has its place, but it didn't in my life for the long haul.

I fear that youth (and others) damage themselves by not respecting their partners or themselves by cheating and being a part of things like "skank/slut" culture. Its a kin to raping and piledging in other eras perhaps.
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RP you are quite thought provoking.....I'm sure you keep Mono and your hubby on their toes!...I couldn't agree more with your last sentence. I think we will find in the next 20-30 years so many damaged women..... and...... so many confused men. Many will be lost to the raping and pillaging they face now, early in life.

Those that survive will have scars and pain that affect the rest of their lives. I have seen an alarming change in women in the States in the last 40 years and in ever increasing numbers of the female population......I fear alcohol abuse is on the rise in our female population for a variety of reasons. In the 60's it was the occasional lonely bored housewife, the 80's and 90's the busy working soccer mom doing everything for everybody 24 hours a day. The last 10 years, the disillusioned women, divorced, single and bitter and bumping up against glass ceilings. In the future it'll be the young women of today trying to forget their youthful indescretions and just trying to survive.

Whether it's from watching Sex and the City and all the cosmos those girls drank or from watching their own moms and all the cosmos they drank, or maybe watching all those commericals for those "Girls Gone Wild" videos and seeing all those drunk skanks behaving like , well skanks........I think today's women just have a whole set of bad role models to choose from. IMO
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