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Old 11-03-2013, 07:30 AM
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Yep, formula. It became very old fashioned to breastfeed. Low class even. Formula is evil stuff. Companies like Nestle are the devil.
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Old 11-03-2013, 10:47 PM
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Okay, here's an additional question: How did baby formula come to be invented, I mean, how/why did anyone get the idea to do such a thing? "Hey, I know, let's invent something that will make breastfeeding obsolete. We'll make lots of money on it." How'd they even know that the idea would "take off?"

Quite a thing, to see natural behavior hundreds of thousands of years old suddenly come to an end.
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:31 AM
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Wow, do you guys ever get off the couch and off your laptops? I spend a lot of time online, but Jesus on a cracker.



I've skimmed most posts here and saw Kevin semi-quote me.

Speaking from the view of a lactation specialist, no, I was no shocked by the woman who felt weird breastfeeding. We do not live in a breastfeeding friendly culture and have not since about the 1930s. People can have all kinds of reasons or excuses not to breastfeed.

Also, Kevin, you semi-quoted me as saying some Middle Eastern women do not know whether it's OK to breastfeed in public or not. I am not an expert on expectations about breastfeeding in the Middle East. There are many cultures in the Middle East, and then other cultures that are Muslim but not Middle Eastern. I expect things vary by country, and things are different in traditional villages as opposed to big cities.
Actually I'm very physically and every thing else active, I just tend to have a lot to say.~

And you are completely right I think about middle eastern countries, some one saying, "All people in the middle east are terrorists, are very strict with no sense of humor, and treat women as nothing more than property." is like some one saying, "All people in Asia are communists, know a Martial Art, and will eat any thing alive." --> the people who say this likely have absolutely no idea what they are idea are talking about or are purposely lying because saying those things about "The Middle East" is like saying things about "Asia" both of these are large portions of this planet called "Earth" with 1,000's of countries and millions of people living in these countries with countless ways of life, perceiving every thing, and beliefs for each and every one of them as unique individuals.~

So in other words, "We may only know a little bit about a country or region of this planet and the people's culture who live there, or at least we think we know and we could be completely wrong, but I find it admirable to admit this truth instead of claiming to be of an "infallible nature" meaning "can't be wrong."

So thank you for admitting that, I admire you for that!~ ^_^
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Old 11-04-2013, 03:07 AM
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Kevin, "The point there is merely: how often, when watching an "average" movie, do you see an actor or actress who doesn't have a "perfect" (face and) body? Not very often."

I believe "perfection" is like "beauty" it is completely subjective and is dependent upon each person's individual perception, to me: every thing is perfect and beautiful.~


I don't like referring to "the concept of naturally loving and being yourself" as "naturism", it's not "a thing" or "a new concept", it's simply un-learning the unhealthy concepts that many Humans see as "normal".~

What's ironic is that many Humans find intolerance of being unclothed as "common", while "naturally loving and being yourself" that means without clothing when it is practical and logical, as "not common".~

The same happened as is still present in some parts of the U.S.A with the color of your skin.~

Some times the biggest most-needed of changes, like progress towards ending segregation based upon skin color, are brought about by a few people: it's not always accepted by every one, is often met with larges amount of opposition, can take a long time even many years or centuries to accomplish, can be very difficult to get people to change their view points, and can be dangerous to do or even deadly, but if at least some progress can be made then the people who strive for change likely feel it was worth it.~

Thank you for that wonderful delightful post of your's.~
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Old 11-04-2013, 05:55 AM
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Re: beauty in the eye of the beholder ... it's there, and yet Hollywood has its own very "specific" kind of eye that sees a very "specific" kind of beauty ... and then sometimes they spread that "meme" to some (most?) of their viewers. Luckily, most of us are able to see past Hollywood's "standard of beauty" when we're engaged in real life and fall in love with who someone is, but the kicker is looking in the mirror with all those "Hollywood images" floating around in our subconscious, since we tend (because we've been trained?) to be lots more critical of ourselves than of anyone else.

Can everything be perfect and beautiful to a beholder's eye? I don't see why not, as long as one can dissolve all the memes that Hollywood, the rest of the media, and society in general direct at us.

Re: naturism ... when I said naturism, you knew that I mostly meant nudity, right? I think so, but I wanted to double-check. Now if it's a question of how preferable "naturism" is as a word to use, I guess that's largely a matter of personal preference. I admit I mainly used it just to "mix things up."

Yes, "anti-nudism" is the norm in just about every part/place of/in society, I'll even say especially in the United States. Dressing down in a bathroom, locker room, or bedroom (for sex) are basically the only exceptions.

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You mean that anti-nudism is comparable to racism I take it. I suppose both kinds of bias/ignorance/bigotry will turn out to be equally hard, slow, and dangerous to overturn.

Glad the rest of my post seemed copacetic.
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Old 11-04-2013, 08:09 AM
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Sounds a little like something akin to stage fright? (If I'm still missing the target, please attempt to continue to clarify and I believe I'll get it eventually.)
Sorry I didn't reply to this earlier, I forgot.~ Yes, yes you got it right!~ ^_^

Kevin, "Glad the rest of my post seemed copacetic."

Sorry if I ever made your feel as if I was upset with you, I wasn't and am not, for future reference: if I am typing words on the screen just like this without "caps", "bold", etc. it means I am speaking in a very calm and mellow voice.~ ^_^

Recently, I took you words to my heart and I really understood them and now I am actually not getting upset any where near as often as I was before and so I now I love talking in a calm and soothing "voice".~ ^_^

I usually use "italics" to emphasize things and some times "underlines", I use "caps" for shouting or raising my voice or at least giving some thing to that affect, "bolds" I use to say things in a powerful "serious" voice, "underlines" I some times use for rarely listing a title to some thing but I most often use "underlines" for drawing attention to some thing, I ironically use "italics" not often to mean "sarcasm" since I tend to be very "literal" online, and "apostrophes" I use often recently started using to mean "some thing with more meaning like a metaphor" or some thing to that extent but I also use them to emphasize words I want careful attention drawn to as a "softer" way to emphasize things.~

I'm very loving right now for some reason, very calm, and loving every moment right now.~

I hope you get the loving vibes I'm sending you.~ ^_^

By the way, I'm thinking about posting in "colorful" text from now on with ever changing colors, but I'm not sure if any one can read the text or if they even bother to, so please let me know what you think and if you can read the below text:

Love yourself, you are beautiful!~ ^_^

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Old 11-04-2013, 06:11 PM
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@ YouAreHere ... most of us agree that we don't share *everything* with *everyone,* yes? The question, then, that (to my mind) follows, is: Does that principle also apply to physical exposure (i.e. nudity)? If not: why not? What's the difference? Like you said, the keeping of "private psychological zones" isn't about self-preservation, fear, or shame. If that's true, then how is it that "the rules change" when talking about the physical body (and exposing it)?
Social acceptance is certainly part of it, and I don't think "shame" is the right word, but the urge to be part of the larger social unit and not "rock the boat". Also, there are other "ew" factors, such as not wanting to sit in a restaurant booth someone else's bare heiney has been on - some people don't always have the best hygeine, either, and norms regarding some basic level of hygeine are ok in my book.

That said, I know nudist/naturist communities have their own social norms, such as using a towel for sitting anywhere, etc. Is that shame and conformation as well? Being facetious here a bit, since I know it's hygeine-related, but where does the line get drawn?

Personally, I like clothes. I like shoes that make noise when I walk (and it's served me well when rounding a corner once or twice ), I like fun colors, and I like accessories, and I'm not much of a fashion maven. I just enjoy it. Am I comfortable in the nude? No. And even when it's just me and P in the house, while I'm comfortable being nude around him, I still don't want to sit around the living room that way. The cats can't start kneading your lap without a lot of pain involved.
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By the way, I'm thinking about posting in "colorful" text from now on with ever changing colors, but I'm not sure if any one can read the text or if they even bother to, so please let me know what you think and if you can read the below text:

Love yourself, you are beautiful!~ ^_^
If I have a vote, can I say, "Please don't"? For me, the colors distract from the message; they don't accentuate it unless it's used sparingly. One color? Distracting, but okay (depending on the color). Multiple colors in one post? Visual overload, and I would find it much more work to get to the message of your post.
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Old 11-04-2013, 08:34 PM
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Okay, here's an additional question: How did baby formula come to be invented, I mean, how/why did anyone get the idea to do such a thing? "Hey, I know, let's invent something that will make breastfeeding obsolete. We'll make lots of money on it." How'd they even know that the idea would "take off?"

Quite a thing, to see natural behavior hundreds of thousands of years old suddenly come to an end.
orphans? they needed something other than just cow milk to meet their nutritional needs. im sure the formula companies were using propaganda to make their product seem superior to breastmilk as well.
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Social acceptance is certainly part of it, and I don't think "shame" is the right word, but the urge to be part of the larger social unit and not "rock the boat". Also, there are other "ew" factors, such as not wanting to sit in a restaurant booth someone else's bare heiney has been on - some people don't always have the best hygeine, either, and norms regarding some basic level of hygeine are ok in my book.

That said, I know nudist/naturist communities have their own social norms, such as using a towel for sitting anywhere, etc. Is that shame and conformation as well? Being facetious here a bit, since I know it's hygeine-related, but where does the line get drawn?

Personally, I like clothes. I like shoes that make noise when I walk (and it's served me well when rounding a corner once or twice ), I like fun colors, and I like accessories, and I'm not much of a fashion maven. I just enjoy it. Am I comfortable in the nude? No. And even when it's just me and P in the house, while I'm comfortable being nude around him, I still don't want to sit around the living room that way. The cats can't start kneading your lap without a lot of pain involved.
I just wanted to make it clear that embracing yourself with out clothes is not a state where you "stay that way for ever", I myself in no way don't love clothes or wearing them with all their materials, styles, and colors when practical, and of course clothing has many useful purposes.~

I love clothes with all their materials, styles, and colors!~ ^_^

I just meant that one would be "clothed when practical" and of course hygiene is very important especially in a country where the people who live there believe wiping themselves with dry paper is making themselves "clean", but hygiene is important with or without clothes: how many people have you shaken hands with without knowing they were carrying a contagious illness like the common cold?, we adapt our "hygienic practices and policies" according to the circumstances: wearing clothing is no more going to protect you from all illnesses than not wearing clothing: just like the myth that "only homosexuals" got "AID's".~

Blaming all our problems on a group of people who act, think, or are a certain way is not going to make our problems go away if we decide to "remove these groups of people".~

All this does is distract from the actual issues and encourages us to not actually make any meaningful effort to work towards solving these issues.~
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