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Old 02-09-2013, 02:01 AM
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I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense to me. If you're pro-choice, you should be able to talk about it, since being pro-choice means that you want someone to know what their choices are so they can make an informed decision on their own.
Not strictly. No one is ever under any obligation to explain why they stand where they do.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:03 AM
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Stop. Just stop. Nobody here wants to pick a fight, we're just talking.
You stop. I WAS just talking. It was absolutely on-topic and not fight-picking. If you don't like it don't look.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:09 AM
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Not strictly. No one is ever under any obligation to explain why they stand where they do.
Helo, who said anything about obligation? Your posts never quite fit the conversation; they're always a little off. I never quite understand what the hell you are talking about, and it seems you don't understand what I wrote. At all. But I am not going to repeat myself. Just know that, once again, you don't get it.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:11 AM
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Not strictly. No one is ever under any obligation to explain why they stand where they do.
What kind of statement is that. Where has anyone said there's that "obligation". Nycindie said it doesn't make sense. But since you brought it up, i think there is sort of an "obligation" to explain where you stand on an issue when you start a thread and put your views out there for the public consumption. Yes of course the public can't force a person to explain thenselves if they decline to do so, but i fail to see what is beneficial or productive about this statement of yours i have quoted. It's like, "thank you , captain obvious".
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:14 AM
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. . . i fail to see what is beneficial or productive about this statement of yours i have quoted. It's like, "thank you , captain obvious".
And his response doesn't even have anything to do with what I wrote.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:15 AM
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Boring:

Thank you. As usual your comments are kind, relevant and helpful.

A few things: I did ask the boy if he knew what abortion is -- he does. But I have to say I feel a little on the hot stop here...which as a liberal parent is odd. How many people in the discussion have pre-teen children. And since you are encouraging (pushing) me to be liberal have you spoke openly about abortion, porn, transgender, gay marriage, cross-dressing and prositution? Boring - you have kids, don't you... I assume you've discussed all that with your youngsters, haven't you.

NY - I do not believe an abortion is like "any other medical procedure". I am entitled to label and think whatever I want but I will explain.

1. My son is ten. He wouldn't have to make that choice for quite a few years and the feminists would say (perhaps) he NEVER can make that choice - only pariticpate/advise.. as a man. So, the discussion is a bit premature.

2. I AM anti-abortion/Pro-choice (that's what I call it). I think it TOTALLY SHOULD BE LEGAL. I think every woman must make her own decision.

And, maybe I'm not pro-choice! Because I can not sympathize with abortion in all cases. I believe that a true pro-choice person would say a women has a right to chose ANYTIME. I would say YES theoretically and YES legally.

However, it is not something I would always agree with. My primary issue is that women routinely abort fetues with disabilities (even minor ones, very minor ones) because they do not want to have a disabled child. This has been particularly problematic with Downs Syndrome, as now 80% or more of people with Downs are not born, it reduces the support financial and otherwise for people living with downs. I TOTALLY understand how hard it would be to have a disabled child HOWEVER many of these choices are ableist and based on cosmetic want for a uber-baby. Andrew Solomon likens it to if people KNEW their child would be GAY many many people would abort. Although abled folks (like BG don't 'get" it) many disabled folks see themselves as a minority (like gay people) who deserve to be cherished and have full lives.

That's ONE reason why I don't like abortion. Would I say it should be illegal no. But I do think sometimes those decisions really fucking suck and it this case are used to make a more homogeneous society.

Note: Before others attack, my very best friend did abort a disabled fetus. I have never harbored anger at her...but it's not something I like.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:19 AM
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Note: I've never met or read a feminist (or anyone) who will directly address this issue. Overall, feminists avoid disability like the plaque.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:50 AM
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How many people in the discussion have pre-teen children.
Not having our own children has ZERO to do with us pointing out that a literate 10-year-old in modern Western society has their own resources for finding information (accurate and otherwise) that their parents do not provide or want to share in a discussion.

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And since you are encouraging (pushing) me to be liberal have you spoke openly about abortion, porn, transgender, gay marriage, cross-dressing and prositution? Boring - you have kids, don't you... I assume you've discussed all that with your youngsters, haven't you.
I'm "pushing you to be liberal"? That's just silly.

Yes, I've spoken openly about all those things. So?

No, I don't have kids. Don't like them, don't want them, didn't have them. Child-free by um, CHOICE.

Yes, I've discussed all that with my [imaginary] youngsters.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:58 AM
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Helo, who said anything about obligation? Your posts never quite fit the conversation; they're always a little off. I never quite understand what the hell you are talking about, and it seems you don't understand what I wrote. At all. But I am not going to repeat myself. Just know that, once again, you don't get it.
Fair enough, but to me "you should be able to talk about it" with regards to a personal opinion implies that someone has an obligation to explain why they stand where they do.
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:04 AM
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Fair enough, but to me "you should be able to talk about it" with regards to a personal opinion implies that someone has an obligation to explain why they stand where they do.
I understood that to mean that nycindie thinks the OP "should be able to talk about [abortion]" with their SON, not that nycindie was insisting that the OP has an "obligation" to justify their opinion about abortion to US.

I think you didn't read it right in context.
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