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Old 09-09-2010, 01:42 PM
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Thank you for opening up to me. Sorry it's taken me so long, I haven't really known how to respond. Still don't...

I may be a bit more feminine than you. I do like pink, bright colors, and sparkly things. I like to shop, but for anything not just clothes. There are many other things I'd rather spend my money on.

I don't meet a lot of women, and especially women my own age. I also don't have much reason or get the opportunity to spend much time with any other than my mother.

I try to give everyone a chance before judging them. I also tend to see the good in individuals. But my thoughts on people as a whole are just not so positive.
Ewwwww. Sparkles.

It sounds like we are traditionally feminine in our own ways. But like you, when possible I don't allow it to influence me. For example, most of the guys at work dress like typical techie guys. Jeans with saggy butts, tshirts, unkempt hair. I feel comfy in jeans and a sweater (especially when it belongs to a significant other!), so that is what I wear. I dress up and/or wear makeup when I feel like it, or when I have to teach or make myself presentable to the general public. If I am sitting in my office all day, bah. Screw that! Once, after wearing a SEXY pair of jeans to work, a male coworker asked me why I don't wear flattering clothes more often, because I have the body for it. (I honestly think I'd never even appeared on his radar until that day.) I asked him if he'd ever tried on a pair of jeans like that. Of course he hadn't. I told them they were effing uncomfortable, and anyone who's going to judge me based on what I'm wearing is not worth my time.

Also, your comments about wetness ... I don't get yeast infections (maybe once a year), but I am fairly consistently damp. My body can be ready for sex in about ten seconds flat, no exaggeration, and God forbid I get turned on at a time when I'm not going to be taking my clothes off ... let the waterworks begin!

But I like this part of me. I like that I can be easily turned on (though orgasm is also difficult for me, too), and I find that in itself a turn on and a boost in self-confidence. However, I also like the fragrance of my body. Perhaps this is the difference?

I don't wear pantiliners, but do find that I am more comfortable if I can change my underwear after work and/or use one of those flushable moist wipes that are just the most awesome things ever made!

As for not liking in others what you don't like in yourself ... I too deal with anxiety and depression. I found that when I stopped being so critical of others (even something as simple as not judging a driver for making a "stupid" move) I was much more accepting of myself. When I was less critical of how others looked, I became more comfortable being myself.

I do have a long way to go, but feel like I've also come a long way.
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Old 09-09-2010, 01:56 PM
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This might belong in the "LadyStuff" thread, but I find that I get yeast infections when I'm stressed out and drink more alcohol and/or eat foods with lots of sugar.

The OP might want to check on what's the root cause(s) of this are instead of just blaming it on having a vagina.

It might interest the participants of this thread to know that I never wear underwear, except for thermal underwear when it's really cold.
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Old 09-09-2010, 02:58 PM
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Also, your comments about wetness ... I don't get yeast infections (maybe once a year), but I am fairly consistently damp. My body can be ready for sex in about ten seconds flat, no exaggeration, and God forbid I get turned on at a time when I'm not going to be taking my clothes off ... let the waterworks begin!

But I like this part of me. I like that I can be easily turned on (though orgasm is also difficult for me, too), and I find that in itself a turn on and a boost in self-confidence.
This, plus TJK's comments about troubles w pain in her g-spot, can be addressed in my thread called "Ejaculation... "
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Old 09-10-2010, 01:06 AM
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A few times, you describe a vagina as a "dripping downward facing hole" that you find gross. M'kay yeah, and you've a right to your opinion, but that brings me to my point.
Opinions, like assholes, everyone has one - right? Sure not everyone has a vagina, but everyone does have an asshole and that is far more a gross thing that far more harmful bacteria can come out of, yet you're not so focused on it.
And while I love men, ball sweat smells far far worse than vagina and is also the cause of wetness against the skin. Wetness in the genital area is not a female thing. Its an everyone thing.
My asshole generally only releases when I want it to. I wish
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With the yeast infection tendency and your attitude toward vagina in general it also makes me wonder if you're doing something that also causes yeast infections even though it is done with good intentions. Over washing will cause yeast infections. A dislike (or rather an embarrassment) of vagina and its smell has made some women tend to obsessive cleaning of their vagina and this disturbs its natural balance leading to chronic yeast infections. As well, over washing can cause abrasions and also lead to more infections.
I clean it once a day, in the shower. I don't douche or use any sprays or anything.
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I did spend a period in my teens avoiding female friendships and thinking I identified more with men. But I ended up dealing with male friends not thinking of me only as a friend and I realized what an illusion that thought really was. Then I met a girl who had no brothers and three sisters. Experiencing their acceptance and being exposed to how much they all loved and celebrated each other was a real eye opener. Those of us with no female siblings really miss out on that. Women, like everyone else, are flawed and can't always be thoughtful or considerate every second of the day. Comparing them to men in those moments won't give an accurate definition of what women are and what they are capable of being to you.
I have and have had guy friends that didn't think of me as more than a friend and didn't even want me as more than a friend. I am a huge flirt and like kissing and closeness so I found that out the hard way a couple times.
There are some things that are better to talk to women about, but I am not sure I have ever had a deep connection with a woman. I am not sure I am capable of deep connection without a romantic relationship (and its not just the sex)... but I am not interested in girls that way.
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Old 09-10-2010, 02:55 AM
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Changing a pantiliner every 12 hours is not a lot of wetness. At least I don't think based on myself, my girlfriends and the work I do. Basically a pair of cotton panties should do the trick and a lot dries against a hot vagina. I am wet all day and by the end of the day I have a patch of dry vageegee juice there. No biggy. On to the next pair of panties. I find the synthetic material and pads make me wetter and itchy; the start of an infection. I don't get infections any more. I did when I was younger and having irregular sex that was sometimes aggressive. Now I have a lot of sex and it has strengthened the walls and environment in there. I think cum helps that too. Of course then there is diet, exercise and some airing out help. Mono calls it my "airing." Its from a movie called "the lunatic" good movie. The woman airs often and drives her two male lovers crazy.

As for clothes, seeing as everyone else has said, I wear converse, flats and jeans or casual skirts or dresses, T-shirts, and hoodies or cardigans. I like to dress casually for work as I am on my feet all day, put in the community, never sit and always doing something for my clients. I like to smell good, but natural. Not perfumed. I love my body smell and so do my partners. I try to add to that, rather than change it. When I go out I add to what I wear in the day time, earrings, necklace, scarf, heels. Nothing complicated or overly "now" as far as fashion goes. Special things that I am given or cherish. I add makeup and wear contacts instead of my nerdy thick glasses. Sometimes I wear fancy stuff during work, just to feel special for myself because its new to me or I am close to it for some reason. I find, or make or thrift shop for everything usually.

There is stuff I don't like about myself, my belly... never went away after baby; that's a biggy, but I like mostly everything else and I think my vagina and asshole are unique and beautiful. I used to hate them, I totally get that. I don't any more since I became a kinkster and discovered my fetishes. Now I realize that what I have, no one else has and that is to be celebrated and shared with a select few who are worthy and love everything that is me, as I do them. Usually my loves think I am unique down there and love that about me. I have had some that don't and it has left scars that they were grossed out or alarmed by my sexuality and what parts I have.

This thread needs to be divided I think and maybe moved... So off topic. But loving it!
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Old 09-10-2010, 04:12 AM
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I had terrible experiences with my wetness as a teenager. Mostly, I would get wet, then it got dry and I was stuck to my panties. I have some pretty bad memories of unsticking myself and tearing the skin... I'll stop there because it's pretty bad.
So I used toilet paper, and changed it every time I used the bathroom, which could be as often as between ever class sometimes.

To this day I'm not used to the feeling of having panties directly against me down there. So I use panty liners, but cloth ones that I made myself. Technically it's probably the same as wearing panties but it feels more comfortable to me, although that might be psychological. Also, I can change liners more easily than panties if need be.
Sometimes I go commando, too. And I'm typically naked at home.

I'm getting used to my body more and more. I'm not attracted to vaginas but I'm starting to appreciate mine more, which is good I feel.
As for men and women, well as a kid I mostly got along with boys, which could be linked to having only brothers. As I grew up, I made very close female friends. Just like me, they aren't "traditionally" feminine. But who is, really? I think everyone is their own person and I don't really care much how well they fit or don't fit the stereotypes.

As for me, I don't like dresses or skirts very much. I wear pants and shorts. I have several "long tops" that could be worn as dresses but that I wouldn't wear without pants. I don't wear make-up, ever, I have short hair, I don't shave or wax. I guess I don't fit many of the typical "girly" things.
On the other hand, I like wearing lingerie for instance. Although not all day, when I wear it it's only so I can remove it
Oh, I also don't own a single pair of shoes with heels. For that matter, I own three pairs of shoes: sneakers, sandals and winter boots, a pair of each.

So, appearance-wise, I don't fit the stereotypes. But I don't think that makes me less feminine. I feel it's about the attitude, really. And personally, I don't really get why all these things would be "female" things. I'm allowed to wear pants and guys to wear kilts and our gender identity won't change just for that... It's about how you feel inside, and I think you should be yourself and not try to follow what you think is the "right" way or anything like that. I don't think I need to fit the female stereotypes to call myself a female. For that mater, I don't think a MTF needs to fit the female stereotypes to call herself a female, either.

I used to think I didn't get along with females, but I realised it was more the circles where I met them. The girls from my high school for instance were mostly unbearable. But the ones I met on the Internet through common interest websites were amazing.
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I used to think I didn't get along with females, but I realised it was more the circles where I met them. The girls from my high school for instance were mostly unbearable. But the ones I met on the Internet through common interest websites were amazing.
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I think I may dislike women so much because I generally dislike my mother. In school it was the girls who were meanest to me. ... And emotions just complicate everything.
WITH NO SNARKINESS INTENDED: This right here screams that you have some unresolved personal issues that need addressed.

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It is also hard to find women who can handle real camping, want to be around firearms, and don't feel the need to impress everyone.
Wow. You obviously don't live somewhere like we do. Where I live it's COMMON (especially this time of the year) for all of us "women" straight and bi alike to be knee deep in the body of a dead moose. Shot by a man or woman is arbitrary. I was out snow-camping in -30 F, on skis, in the woods, hauling tent, sleeping bag, warm weather gear, food, cookstove, with my parents and siblings by the time I was 10 years old...
Aside from having had 4 major surgeries for health problems in the last 8 months I would be leaving tomorrow on a hunting trip with Maca. Again, into the woods, wash your hands clean of blood in a mud puddle, wear the same warm weather clothing for a week, in a mummy bag on the ground, searching for moose......

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Women are not trained to be interested in babies, their hormones do that. And even if it is all based on how society has trained women to be, they still fall into it so hard that many women will not even leave the house without makeup on.
This sentence baffles me silent. I don't know what hormones and babies have to do with make up. I CAN and HAVE dressed to the 9's. I can do my make up and hair, put on a formal dress and heels and enjoy a HELL of a great night on the town with my two men.
However, I can also give them a run for their money in the woods. I'm training to do the ironman triathlon-which sure as hell doesn't make for a lot of time to by "pretty" and if I committed to not leaving the house without make up.. fuck I might not be able to leave the house for months at a time (quite literally) because I damn sure do NOT have time to be worrying about what other people think I look like....

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I am sorry I think pussy is gross. But, a downward facing moist hole that drips whenever it damn well decides to IS kind of gross to me. I wear a pantyliner daily because I cannot stand moistness in my panties, nor do I like the smell, especially around ovulation or menstruation when it is strongest.
Are you young? Again, I'm not being snarky-but my 19 year old daughter had the same attitude when she hit puberty. When you break it down to legistics, yes that is gross. AS IS a downward facing hose that drips whenever it damn well decides to (read-penis). Hell I had a HARD TIME when I was young with giving a blow job-because I was disturbed by the fact that there was no way they were WASHING the pee OUT OF THE TUBE inside of the penis.
At some point I decided that the pleasure gained by my men and I was well worth any trace amounts of THOSE bodily fluids that we may ingest... *same is true of my ex-girlfriend, seeing her squirm in pleasure made going down on her well worth any "gross value" I had to deal with*

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Women intimidate me. Not as much online as in person. They actually scare the hell out of me. I don't know how to talk to them. I don't know how to relate to them. I don't know how to understand them. And worst of all, i don't know how to comfort people, and that seems to be what women want from other women the most.
One suggestion-don't judge them. Just like any man, if you start out with "you suck and stink too" they aren't likely to want to continue opening up to you. The second thing I suggest is trying to meet some women in activities that you do enjoy. If you want to meet women who enjoy hunting and camping-go do those activities with groups who do that. Hell-go to Alaska. Plenty of those here.

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Seeing the theme of this thread just really annoyed me. But I am only annoyed because it seems to be true that most women open to poly relationships are bi. Actually, it seems like most young women these days are bi. And that makes me feel like I am even MORE sexually fucked up than I already know I am. It also makes being straight and poly very frustrating because all the girls my guys find want to sleep with me, too.
My goodness! My sister is straight and poly. I know 2 women here in person who are poly and bi and two who are poly and straight.... Maybe you ladies really need to go on vacation and meet some people outside of the circles you are in? I mean-seriously, I know for me I've found that when I go away from my "normal stomping grounds" I tend to find that there are MANY MANY different type of people that I never even knew about, because they weren't the norm HERE.

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I find myself frequently disgusted by the commercials and products being marketed to women, and disgusted at how women are portrayed in movies and on tv.
Ah well, that one is easy to fix. Stop watching tv. It's been 15 years since we had tv and it hasn't been missed. No stupid commercials, no stupid views on life.


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I would LOVE to meet a woman who would forage through the blackberry bushes with me, despite the fact that it will leave itchy scratches for a couple weeks.
If you know that those type of women bother you... why are you around them? I mean.... I don't keep friends who don't enjoy the activities I enjoy.
My nearest female friends are ALWAYS doing those things. Hell we spend summers crawling the woods, scavenging for berries, fishing, hiking, hunting, camping (tents, not rv's here guys). Currently I have so many damn bruises that the dress Maca picked out and asked me to wear today probably left people wondering if I'm abused! I'm not, I got them all my own self doing LIFE au natural! (sorry if that is spelled wrong).

it seems to me like you are limiting yourself by not going out and meeting women who live in the REAL world. Do you live in a big city or something? That could be part of the problem. High maintenance women are generally going to be more prominent in the city-where as women who like to be "back country" are going to be more.... well NOT in the city....
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This might belong in the "LadyStuff" thread, but I find that I get yeast infections when I'm stressed out and drink more alcohol and/or eat foods with lots of sugar.

The OP might want to check on what's the root cause(s) of this are instead of just blaming it on having a vagina.

It might interest the participants of this thread to know that I never wear underwear, except for thermal underwear when it's really cold.
I was seconds from posting that the only times I've had issues with yeast infections were those listed above and when I wear panties.

I quit wearing the damn things because the AIR FLOW keeps things from getting too wet and it's OBVIOUSLY stopped the issues with yeast....

Also-diet DOES play a HUGE roll in yeast infections-definitely a good thing to look into OP.
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There is stuff I don't like about myself, my belly... never went away after baby; that's a biggy...
RP!
Are you KIDDING ME?????

You have a beautiful body!

GEESH where's Mon and Derby when I need back up!?!?!

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