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Old 02-10-2012, 10:39 PM
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I just read through the guidelines and maybe I don't belong here, either, but I'm not really sure how to find where I fit and I need to talk to some people who are experienced in this sort of thing!

I hope a long story is okay- I figure that will get the most helpful responses.

I've been with my husband (H) for 11 years, married for 7. For most of our marriage, I've been fantasizing about being free to have sexual contact with other men. It's not that I am not happy to have sex with my husband; just that I love the idea of variety and being able to experiment if I want to.

For years, that idea remained on the back burner. A fantasy that I felt would never be satisfied. We had talked about it in the past (and I even have a friend that H has always said it's OK to fuck if the opportunity arose, since we'd been friends for 15 years and he's clearly no threat to our marriage).

Then we were on vacation and ran into some people we'd seen on our last vacation (completely by coincidence). We enjoyed their company and hung out most days. I noticed about halfway through the trip that the husband was coming on to me. I was very attracted to him as well. He told me that he and his wife were poly. I told H that I was very attracted to him and wanted to have sex with him. H was a little taken aback, but he did tell me to go for it.

So I had sex with him and it was great, and my husband realized it didn't diminish my love for him in the least- in fact it made me love and appreciate him more for being willing to allow me to do this. We won't see that couple more than a couple of times a year and I don't know if it will happen again, but it was a great experience.

H has now given me permission to seek other lovers when he is out of town on business, which he is quite frequently. He prefers that my attachments be casual and I can respect his desire not to threaten our relationship.

So, I have posted on a few sites seeking sex partners but I guess this just feels a little tougher than finding someone in real life that I have chemistry with, who is clearly interested in me. I feel a little awkward about the situation, but on the other hand, I would greatly value some relationships while H is out of town as I have a very high sex drive and he is gone for extended periods of time.

At this time, H has no plans to take other lovers. He says he is fully satisfied by me but if a situation arises, he will discuss it with me.

Does anyone have any suggestions or advice for a newbie? I'm looking for pretty much anything. I just finished reading the Ethical Slut and that was very helpful.
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Old 02-11-2012, 03:43 AM
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Would your husband be comfortable if they were friends, or if you went on dates while he was gone, not just had sex partners?

If dating is OK, I'd try OKcupid.com if (polymatchmaker.com too if you are in a larger city) So many poly people are SO busy with relationships, I don't think it would be that impossible to find somebody who you enjoyed spending time with and had chemistry with who ALSO was willing to see you on your husband's travel schedule without it making them feel like a cheap sex toy or something It might be preferable for a lot of people who don't necessarily have time for a relationship where they need to have time available weekly.

Of course whether you date or not, there is the chance that you fall in love with somebody else too, and that is something you two husband should really accept as a possible consequence, no matter how casual your relationships are planned to be.

edit: Just wanted to throw in, I think STI wise, it can be much smarter to choose longer term FWB or lovers than strangers who are just there for sex. With all the strains of both low and high risk HPV around that condoms don't protect from, with the high rate of HSV-2 (if that is concern to you) having a better idea just who you are getting involved with can be a bit more important to be aware of when there are other partners health to consider.
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Old 02-11-2012, 04:06 AM
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I just want to second Anne's point that deeper feelings can sometimes strike when you least expect them. It doesn't mean it would have to diminish your love for your husband or hurt your relationship any more than sex did. But if that happened, despite your best intentions, if you realized you loved someone else and wanted to develop more of a relationship with them, would it be a disaster or something you two could accommodate?
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Old 02-11-2012, 04:17 AM
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Well, for a lot of reasons, dating probably isn't going to work. I don't actually think I am the kind of person who can love more than one person romantically without shortchanging the other. Sex is just sex to me- it's just physical pleasure- there's nothing threatening there. But my heart belongs to my husband. I also don't really think I need an emotional relationship. My husband satisfies those urges fully. It's just when he isn't around that I need something physical- I'm not the kind of person who does alone well.

Actually, my tentative solution was to sleep with married men. Obviously there aren't going to be any emotions there, since they're just looking for what I want- a little fun and some pleasure. The ethics bothers me a little bit, but nothing I can't rationalize to myself anyway. My plan was to have maybe 3-4 different guys and just see each one maybe once every month or two. And I was going to ask them to get tested and use a condom of course, since H and I have unprotected sex (I have an IUD).

I have a very high sex drive and that's pretty much what I miss when H goes away. I do masturbate but it's just not the same as a real person.

I also can really only meet people during the day anyway, which doesn't bode well for actual dating. I have small kids at home and no babysitter, so my only free time is when they go to preschool. I am not comfortable having someone in my house when my kids are asleep.
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Old 02-11-2012, 11:35 AM
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Do you really think that if you only sleep with married men that it's going to guarantee that you don't develop feelings? (or vice versa) Haven't you see thousands of women posting around the world how they've fallen in love with some guy who is cheating on his wife? So saying that "obviously" there wont be any emotions is silly. (I am assuming cheating? If so, there are probably better places to get advice from than here - polyamory IS ethical non-monogamy after all, and literally defined it is the ability TO love more than one person at a time - I do guess that that's why you wondered if you should post here?)

My father and thousands of other men out there, who are unhappy enough to cheat in the first place, fall for the new woman (regularly) who is exciting and doesn't make demands on them. A married friend who was doing the whole NSA thing found that it was like catnip for men married or not to decide that they wanted to have more, and to try to interfere with her marriage. Would you and your husband really rather have cheating husbands than honest and upfront sexual partners involved in your life?

Really if you want NSA, please go for the unattached guys, I don't imagine you'd like your husband going out and helping women deceive their spouses, or worse...deceiving you? I always tend to think that couples seeking hot bi-babes unicorns for fidelity are in for the worst luck of their life, but really, it sounds like this scenario is more likely to end up with more misery and karmic doom than anything else I can think of.

I think it is about 99% unlikely that you are actually going to be able to get cheating married men to provide you with STI test results (I mean they can say what they want, but paper results? no effin way). A guy who is cheating is going to likely be sex focused and want more regular sex than once a month or two if they have to jump through any hoops like proving they don't have gonorrhea or genital warts. THEY will find you way too high maintenance.

Genital warts, and the high risk HPV strains that cause cervical cancer aren't avoided with condoms. There are over 40 strains. They can be spread orally too, both with oral sex and kissing, and can give people oral cancer, or spread genitally for cervical or penile cancer. There are no tests for HPV in men. Genital herpes are not spread as much with condoms as without, but they can't be avoided with condoms. here where I live 1/4 women and 1/7 men have HSV-2. Normal STI tests do not include the HSV-2 blood test because it is so wide spread. It is MUCH more likely for a woman to get it from a man than vice versa. Just more food for thought. I mean you can roll the dice and all, but a girlfriend of my husband ended up with a high risk HPV strain from a partner not her husband last year and was cautioned by her doctor about the risks of spreading it for anything from kissing to oral sex.

edit: anyway, lots of people these days are unemployed, are house husbands, work from home for tech jobs, writing, whatnot. People are out there for daytime dates.

edit #2 - so..just what did you get from reading the Ethical Slut? I am pretty sure it doesn't recommend unethical monogamy, so just what sort of open relationship did it suggest that appeals to you? Starting from that point might be more useful.
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Old 02-11-2012, 01:53 PM
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There's nothing wrong with NSA sex but there's no reason to choose cheaters for it. If they're willing to lie to their wives, what makes you think they won't lie to you, maybe about important stuff that could affect your safety? Swingers clubs and Okcupid seem to be two good places to find married men in open marriages who are honest with their wives, just like you've been honest with your husband. In the former scenario you can meet the wife in person to confirm that she's ok with what's going on, in the latter you can chat with her online.
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Old 02-11-2012, 03:42 PM
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The reason I was looking at married men is that I really don't want an emotional relationship, and I know that the vast majority of cheating husbands just want sex. Yes, I know lots of women fall for married men, but I also assume that they might have been looking for a different type of affair. From what I've been told, most women want a love affair to meet missing emotional needs. Yes, I realize I'm generalizing but I would assume it's typically true.

I was planning not to go beyond surface stuff when I am with a sex partner and we're talking. I'm just not interested in an emotional outlet there, so I think it would be tough to fall for someone if they're just an occasional fuck. If they fall for me, that's their problem- I'll find someone new. They know up front what my expectations are.

It really was so much easier in person. I liked making friends with both the husband and wife and knowing that we were still going to be friends afterwards. I liked how easily the chemistry and attraction developed between us, and how relaxed we were in bed together. The internet has felt so awkward for me as a result. Honestly, I prefer the openness- but I doubt I will end up in another situation like I did with that couple. If I do, that would be a huge bonus.

I can't go to swinger's clubs. I don't drive and I am only free during the daytime, like I said. And this is not something H wants to go to. He's fine with me doing whatever while he's at work, but he doesn't want to participate. I definitely like the idea in theory, although of course there are some practical details that made me anxious, but it's a moot point anyway.

I do have to do some more reading on STIs. I know I am completely clean.

The Ethical Slut helped me feel more normal in my desires, and that was really helpful since I've spent the last month feeling like an unnatural, selfish freak. My H and I have done a lot of communicating about this to make sure we're both okay with it and our relationship, and we're finding that my fling with the other man has actually improved our marriage. I think the book will help us relate to each other better, although obviously many sections will not apply to us.

I actually did make a profile on OKC but it seems that single guys just don't seem to get it, despite my profile being quite clear about what I want and what I'm looking for.

I also figured longtime married men would be less likely to have an STI since they've had fewer partners. But yes, I do assume they are lying to me, too.
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