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Old 08-31-2010, 06:47 PM
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Well I shoud have stated so called morality, since we all know that 99% of all Christian based morality is based on you doing as your told by them and the church.....
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Old 08-31-2010, 07:27 PM
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Well I shoud have stated so called morality, since we all know that 99% of all Christian based morality is based on you doing as your told by them and the church.....
Sorry I'm going to do it again . Not Christian based morality, but CHURCH based morality. I do see a huge difference, as I don't believe that Christ would be any happier with most of the churches of today than he was with the Jewish religous leaders of his day.

Let's face it 99% is a bit of an exageration, especially since I was raised in a church that pushed it's members to look it up for yourself and form your own opinions. Our pastor would clearly state that he is presenting something based on his own interpretation and it may not necessarily be correct. He welcomed discussion and debate. I know he was rare and I miss his teachings.

I am having my own struggle with what Christianity should be and what "The Church" has morphed it into. I'm sure I will post my rant at "The Christian Church" soon, but need to organize my thoughts better.
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Old 08-31-2010, 07:36 PM
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"Looking it up yourself" in a book that has had two millenia of constant modification and editing from the powers that be of different eras?

Pardon me if I have issues putting my faith in that
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"Looking it up yourself" in a book that has had two millenia of constant modification and editing from the powers that be of different eras?

Pardon me if I have issues putting my faith in that
Oh, I have issues with that too. Inculding the agenda of the powers that be that put it together in the first place and the whole divinification of a text writen by mortal men. However, this particular pastor did not limit us to just one source. He did encourage multiple sources, both religous and secular. Obviously not everyone did so (including myself until years later) but what that did teach me, was not to blindly follow, but to quesiton the status quo and look deeper for answers. Not everything has a right or wrong answer.
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If that was the case, then he is/was a truly awesome man. A pity more aren't like him.
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Oh, I have issues with that too. Inculding the agenda of the powers that be that put it together in the first place and the whole divinification of a text writen by mortal men. However, this particular pastor did not limit us to just one source. He did encourage multiple sources, both religous and secular. Obviously not everyone did so (including myself until years later) but what that did teach me, was not to blindly follow, but to quesiton the status quo and look deeper for answers. Not everything has a right or wrong answer.
I know sooo many atheists who were fundamentalist Christians until they finally read the Bible front to back and went ... WTF? This stuff is crazy!
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:46 AM
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Old 09-01-2010, 08:02 AM
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I know sooo many atheists who were fundamentalist Christians until they finally read the Bible front to back and went ... WTF? This stuff is crazy!
LOL I didn't even need to read it front to back and it's obvious that you have to leave your brain at the door in order for it to make much sense.
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Old 09-02-2010, 01:24 PM
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Old 09-02-2010, 09:32 PM
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"I know sooo many atheists who were fundamentalist Christians until they finally read the Bible front to back and went ... WTF? This stuff is crazy!"

My mother (who is mostly agnostic) calls the Old Testament (King James Version) one of the greatest works of fantasy of all time; it's epic, on a lot of levels.

Of course, in the Old Testament, you have multiple wives all the time; even Father Abraham, (the original hen-pecked husband) had two. (And he's the one who started the whole mess in the Middle East...according to BOTH SIDES, btw!)

SNeall's pastor sounds like a Christ-ian; someone who actually tries to live up to the precepts of his faith, rather than simply saying he does. Would that there were more people like him...of any faith, or no faith at all.
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