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Old 10-16-2011, 08:12 AM
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I've been lurking on here for a while then i read iloveyoutwo's "complicated" thread and decided to post my own similar story.

I'm 44, in a marriage for two years that has been completely devoid of all physical or emotion affection. She doesnt hold my hand, kiss me goodbye and her affect is completely flat all the time. I cant tell whether she's happy, sad, or angry. We live literally as platonic roomates. She is Chinese and very much a workaholic and the only thing holding me to her is my son. He is 15 months old. He is the light of my life. I love the little guy to death and its an absolute joy to come home to him everyday. I feel that all the work, hardships and sacrifices i've made up to this point were worth it to have this little guy come into my life.

The problem is if we divorce she could very well take him back to China and i would never see him again. It breaks my heart to the point that i get physically sick sometimes with the thought of losing him. I've met another woman who is bi and poly and want to desperately spent the rest of my life with her. She is the one i should be with but she came into my life about 6 months ago. The time i spend with her makes me feel happy, keeps me sane from becoming an emotional wreck and fills some of that very basic human need of wanting affection and to feel loved by another human being.

I'm stuck. I know my life is miserable and i dont want to stay in this situation until my son turns 18. I dont know which way to turn.......any thoughts, help, comments......
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Old 10-16-2011, 11:30 AM
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I am glad you mistress is providing you with the love and support that anyone should expect from a marriage or romantic partnership.

I also can relate to feeling extremely bonded to a dear child and putting that love before all other loves-- love for yourself, love for your mistress.

Or... is she your mistress? You say you've "met" her. Are you lovers?

I doubt many of us here know the precise legal ramifications of having a wife from a distant country who might return with your child, were you to break up.

My only advice is to get a lawyer now and find out from them what your legal rights are around custody. I know in many states, if a couple breaks up and there is a shared custody arrangement, partners can be forced to stay in the same state, much less leave the country and move to the other side of the world.

Of course, the fact you've been infidelitous sexually might not weigh in your favor. Any evidence of your cheating (should your wife suspect you are), texts, computer messages, credit card bills, etc, can be used against you.
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Old 10-16-2011, 12:04 PM
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I'm 44, in a marriage for two years that has been completely devoid of all physical or emotion affection.
I am curious as to how you came to meet and marry your wife. Was it one of those marriages of convenience where she would get a work permit and you a child? Did you enter into the marriage thinking there would normal physical intimacy between the two of you. Have you been to couple's counseling?

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She doesnt hold my hand, kiss me goodbye and her affect is completely flat all the time. I cant tell whether she's happy, sad, or angry.
Is it a cultural thing? Do you share a language? Is there communication? Have you tried asking her how she is feeling at any given time?

I'm sorry but it appears very weird that you have married a woman when there was no shared love or affection to begin with, fathered a son by her and are now somehow surprised that it isn't working out. Was there a dating period when everything was fine? Why have you allowed your marriage to grow cold, then?

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I've met another woman who is bi and poly and want to desperately spent the rest of my life with her.
So, having one marriage on the rocks, how do you feel you are prepared and equipped to face the infinitely more complex patterns of polyships?

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I dont know which way to turn.......any thoughts, help, comments......
So, if you are convinced that the marriage with the mother of your son is null and void and have given up on it already, getting a good lawyer is the way to go. I would seriously consider though what it is that you can bring into this new relationship that wasn't present when you met your wife.
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Old 10-16-2011, 03:25 PM
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How affectionate is your wife towards your son? Is she a good mom? Is she warm and kind to other people, just not you? -- maybe there is a resentment going on underneath. Maybe she knows about your poly friend - ?

Culturally, there are differences that have to be taken into consideration. If you haven't done so, you may want to read up on the views of infidelity in the Chinese culture. From what I've read there is sometimes an understanding that it is inevitable/understandable/tolerable, but IF the wife finds out, that is when the husband is considered a jerk! He is expected to be DISCREET.

Your son is only 15 months old -- 17 more years is a looooong time to be miserable. Glad you are exploring some options for yourself.
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Old 10-16-2011, 07:43 PM
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I am sorry that your situation has lead you to the reality you see today... how it got there is not evident in your post, and really I don't think it matters. What matters is getting out of it. Please realize that my "firmness" in this is because I find that far too often others take a softer one and I am writing this to balance that.... I understand something of what you are going through, but I obviously can't understand entirely... I hope that you find some of what I say useful in terms of motivating you to make some well needed change in your life for ALL of you, but especially for your boys future and how he sees healthy successful relationships. He is our future after all. Why not make every effort to make sure he is a mentally healthy little guy.

I echo the thoughts of getting a lawyer and finding out what your rights are... If I were in your situation I would do that first. Get all the paper work sorted out, find a place to live if you need to leave right away and make a solid plan.

From your post I gather you love this woman, but you don't think she loves you... After making my plan I would then go about finding this out. By then I would have a plan to fall back on and there would be nothing to lose in finding out.... I would be asking her some straight up questions about what she wants for her future, what she wants for your child's future, what she sees as the future of your relationship. I would have a therapist lined up for her personally, for you personally and for both of you together. Then do some really HARD WORK and invite her to do the same....

As an absolute last resort, if she doesn't want to then I suggest telling her that you will move on to someone that you can find love with, will stay in the home with her and that she can do the same. Then I would divide my time between your private life and that of your child. Make sure you spend your own private quality time with him and that she have the same chance to do the same. Keeping it even in terms of time spent I think is very important for all.

Part of the best case scenario means that you would have to say good bye to the woman you have met and concentrate on your real life. She is not real life, your child and his mother are. It means you will have to be really strong and really together, her distraction in a physical sense I think will not be helpful. People who are your friends and are people you can talk to will be.... hence the therapist.

You can do this, people do this... you can live the life you need in happiness and personal success, but cheating is not the way to do it. That is my firm belief. To me its a cope out and a lazy way of living that leads to a deteriation in integrity, self worth and the basic trust of others that helps us feel safe in the world... not to mention what it does to kids. Your child will be fine in this, he is young enough to adjust easily if you and his mother can work something out TOGETHER... aim high for that. She loves him too and has every right to a life also.... hopefully she can see that and will be willing to empathize so you can get about making the most of this. You had something before with her... find it again or at least agree to something that works for all.
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Old 10-16-2011, 09:26 PM
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It is interesting to see the other side of the situation as yours does have some commonalities with regard to my bf. I wish you two could meet and talk. I would be interested in hearing more about your situation, how it got that way, what you've done to try to rectify it (if you have done anything), etc.
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Old 10-17-2011, 02:12 AM
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I wanted to ask you, is your wife an American citizen? If you divorced, would she *have* to leave the country? But your child is a citizen, so... hmmm...
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Did she develop this flat affect after having your child? Is there a chance that she could be suffering from post partum depression? It might be worth looking into.
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:08 PM
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Did she develop this flat affect after having your child? Is there a chance that she could be suffering from post partum depression? It might be worth looking into.
Yes. Was she always like this, or is it recent? She may be suffering from depression of one sort or another, or some other psychological issue. Flat affect is not a normal way to be, and it usually is a symptom of an underlying issue. I would definitely try to get her to see somebody to figure out what's going on (maybe you could do couple's therapy and let the therapist know that you are worried about her affect?).

If for no other reason than your child's well being, please check into this.
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