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Yeah I'm sorry dude, I am just not going to ever come to a point where a person could convince me that EVEN IF you take possible breeding problems off the table, and EVEN IF people are perfectly willing, it's perfectly fine for close blood relatives to be getting it on.
And most of the people I have ever heard of in my life who have enacted incest, were NOT perfectly reasonable consenting adults, they were molestation cases between someone in a position of power and someone who was a minor. Even granting that the age of majority is very arbitrary, the position of familial power is still an issue, the matter that if the relationship is coercive or abusive or becomes unhealthy, one cannot easily escape it or terminate it, because likely they live in the same dwelling and have nowhere else to go...
I would say this is probably the large majority of incest cases that happen.
What is in porn, the whole "Mommy has her boyfriend teaching daughter how to do the sexytime" is just silliness made up to push men's buttons in my opinion. It is not real. I don't think anyone needs to be shamed if they are into that taboo in fantasy, but to try and argue that incest is ok in reality because there is nothing wrong with the idea in fantasy...
Rape fantasies are fine.
Actual forcible rape is not.
There is a difference.
If the vast majority of "relationships" or sex were rape, then I would say it needs to stop. If the vast majority of incest is coercive and involving unequal authority and power of a nonconsensual variety, the kind that comes by default with a parent/child or older/younger sibling situation... It might make a nice porno but in the real world it is wrong.
That is a far greater argument than "maybe health problems if a baby happens" because after all, what if it's a man and his son? Or a woman and her son, and she has had a tubal ligation? I am no longer able to breed but I most goddamn certainly would NOT consider sex with my teenage sons. I believe that if another woman of my age were to get involved with one of my sons and they both consented, that would be ok, but the notion of me doing so isn't just a matter of me not being attracted, it's a matter of me believing in the most unshakable parts of my core self that it is SO WRONG.
What is wrong with murdering a baby right after it's born?
No seriously, what evidence do you have that it is a problem? Why?
It just is.
I don't believe in religion, but I know some things are wrong.
I don't believe that the laws are always just, fair, or right, but I know some things are wrong.
Maybe I've got a different calibration on my moral compass than some people, but I suppose we all get to figure these things out for ourselves.
My criteria generally has to do with the affects on lives, in the case of incest, when it happens it's usually damaging to at least one of those involved. Often enough that to my thinking, it deserves to be labeled as "Not A Good Idea, Ethically."
And most of the people I have ever heard of in my life who have enacted incest, were NOT perfectly reasonable consenting adults, they were molestation cases between someone in a position of power and someone who was a minor. Even granting that the age of majority is very arbitrary, the position of familial power is still an issue, the matter that if the relationship is coercive or abusive or becomes unhealthy, one cannot easily escape it or terminate it, because likely they live in the same dwelling and have nowhere else to go...
I would say this is probably the large majority of incest cases that happen.
What is in porn, the whole "Mommy has her boyfriend teaching daughter how to do the sexytime" is just silliness made up to push men's buttons in my opinion. It is not real. I don't think anyone needs to be shamed if they are into that taboo in fantasy, but to try and argue that incest is ok in reality because there is nothing wrong with the idea in fantasy...
Rape fantasies are fine.
Actual forcible rape is not.
There is a difference.
If the vast majority of "relationships" or sex were rape, then I would say it needs to stop. If the vast majority of incest is coercive and involving unequal authority and power of a nonconsensual variety, the kind that comes by default with a parent/child or older/younger sibling situation... It might make a nice porno but in the real world it is wrong.
That is a far greater argument than "maybe health problems if a baby happens" because after all, what if it's a man and his son? Or a woman and her son, and she has had a tubal ligation? I am no longer able to breed but I most goddamn certainly would NOT consider sex with my teenage sons. I believe that if another woman of my age were to get involved with one of my sons and they both consented, that would be ok, but the notion of me doing so isn't just a matter of me not being attracted, it's a matter of me believing in the most unshakable parts of my core self that it is SO WRONG.
What is wrong with murdering a baby right after it's born?
No seriously, what evidence do you have that it is a problem? Why?
It just is.
I don't believe in religion, but I know some things are wrong.
I don't believe that the laws are always just, fair, or right, but I know some things are wrong.
Maybe I've got a different calibration on my moral compass than some people, but I suppose we all get to figure these things out for ourselves.
My criteria generally has to do with the affects on lives, in the case of incest, when it happens it's usually damaging to at least one of those involved. Often enough that to my thinking, it deserves to be labeled as "Not A Good Idea, Ethically."