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Old 04-15-2017, 10:53 AM
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My wife brought up a blasphemous and highly politically incorrect topic and I thought I'd share it it on this thread since it seemed like the right kind of thread for it.

She jokingly mentioned that Christianity had many themes similar to BDSM. Bondage to the church and submission to the rules. Dominant and submissive vows to each other resemble marriage vows of wife to obey her husband and vows of husband to care for his wife. The old testament describes many acts of sadism and Christ is the ultimate masochist - he frickin' died for us!

Not meaning to offend anyone. Please take this as the joke I intend it to be. I'm sure other religions have similar themes as well and as an extension, I think many societies have similar themes.

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Old 04-15-2017, 04:16 PM
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Thanks for sharing the thought, Shaya!
It's always entertaining to watch this dynamic play out in real life.
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Old 04-19-2017, 08:16 AM
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My wife brought up a blasphemous and highly politically incorrect topic and I thought I'd share it it on this thread since it seemed like the right kind of thread for it.

She jokingly mentioned that Christianity had many themes similar to BDSM. Bondage to the church and submission to the rules. Dominant and submissive vows to each other resemble marriage vows of wife to obey her husband and vows of husband to care for his wife. The old testament describes many acts of sadism and Christ is the ultimate masochist - he frickin' died for us!

Not meaning to offend anyone. Please take this as the joke I intend it to be. I'm sure other religions have similar themes as well and as an extension, I think many societies have similar themes.
There are actually Christian BDSM groups that feel their religion demands this sort of relationship. Of course, it's always the woman who submits. Other Christian groups I've seen also use this to justify their kinky behavior, of course with the woman submitting as well.

Never saw any that viewed Jesus as a masochist though...lol
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Old 04-19-2017, 09:12 AM
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So are we just overwhelmed with disgust and shock, or what?

Fuckin' Spicer talking about at least Hitler didn't use gas. Man... This Administration. What will it take to get rid of these people??? How bad are we going to have to watch it get?
Basically, yes.

It is becoming so surreal to me that, at times, I've questioned my own sanity. Like, how can this possibly be? Maybe I am just nuts. Do republicans really think Trump is paying for his own jaunts to West palm? Do they really say he works hard and deserves a golfing break? Why are they okay with him not sharing his tax returns, like it's suddenly some foreign concept that Presidents share them? Did Spicer really call concentration camps Holocaust Centers? Is Trump really tweeting about N. Korea? Did the Republicans really say it was wrong to block Gorsuch?

Is it ever going to end? Maybe with the end of the human race. I'm okay with that.
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:24 PM
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I actually knew a guy who came to our erotic hypnosis groups (which I was primarily supporting because a dear friend was very into that, and I wanted to support her areas of interest by adding my warm body to the numbers showing up, and because I personally have an interest in ASMR, which I see as being somehow related to hypnosis)...anyhow this guy was kind of a kooky veteran, and he had a female sub who was blind. He kept her head shaved at all times, I am not sure why. And they had a "based on Christian religion" Master/slave dynamic.

He loved how dependent on him she could be additionally because of her blindness. Like he could put her somewhere, and take her dog and her cane, and she wasn't going anywhere without him.

Honestly? They were disturbing (to me) to be around. And after seeing some of his posts on fetlife groups, I unfriended him. Your kink is not my kink and all that.

But being who I am...I love blasphemy play. In my attempts to get more comfortable with porn, one of only a couple vids I've found that I really liked, was a gangbang in a church with a woman dressed as a nun and like four or five guys dressed as priests. They were very rough.

And it occurred to me last night, and I mentioned to Zen, a thought I had. I said, "if we ever decide to...make it official...be married people...I would like to do an additional photo shoot thing, at the club (the dungeon) where we wear our wedding clothes and have a pro photographer and we are pretending to get married but at the kiss-the-bride part, you instead basically pull my dress up and flog me and so on (I would like a full scene) and we have lovely pictures taken of this, and put them in a fancy album."

I would LOVE to do a blasphemous kinky wedding photo shoot thing. omg.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:03 AM
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@Spork. There is something cheeky about being blasphemous and the cheekiness brings a smile.
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Old 04-22-2017, 02:35 PM
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I began writing a comment about Politics, & had four windows open to Rightist sites, causing my browser to collapse under the weight of all the trackers.

And when I came back, it took five tries to get the Post Reply button to work here -- all the site would do is refresh the page.

I'm really getting tired of this crap...

Do you know most Internet users have no first clue that not only is their every usage being tracked, but that the bots steal data from each other? That's why your browser or app seems to hesitate for a second or two longer than absolutely necessary -- digging through your device's memory, comparing to what they're already got, "accidentally" looking into your word processor files & cached passwords to create/extend metadata.

They know what sites you regularly visit, sorted neatly by day of week, time of day, & where you were at the moment -- wiping your browser history is pretty much pointless, because the data's already been collected -- matter of fact, how often you wipe the history, & what was on it when you cleared, is already logged metadata.

Any "free" app is probably profiting from you. Firefox is one of the worst browsers so far as data harvest; on my machine, it's worse than IE. And you'd think that Google would be the worst search engine, but Bing looks worse. (I'm even starting to suspect "tracker free" DuckDuckGo of data collection.)

Basically, they're collecting YOUR info, selling it, & charging YOU for the data usage. Cool, eh?

They push "improved" software & "updated" hardware off on you because they know these incremental changes will disguise the ever-increasing slowdowns as they dig deeper & deeper into your brain & ensure you'll have no private life.

Those of you afraid of being outed? Doesn't matter whether you're poly or queer or kink or whatever: it's already known. Soon enough, anyone who decides on a passing whim to out you can do so with a couple of clicks, & there it is, forever. I strongly recomend that you plan for the day.

And the GOP thinks not only that this is okey-dokey, but your service provider deserves to do it too!! That means they'll be able to charge you for allowing your connection AND charge you for the data usage they use to harvest freely from all your connected devices AND make money selling your soul, crumb by crumb.

Just wait until the voice-service providers demand to get into the game.
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Old 04-22-2017, 05:05 PM
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Some highly recommended reading, but first the rationale, which I think is instructive.

There's an online magazine, The Federalist, founded late 2013. Though often held up by the squawking heads on Fox News, it actually reminds me much more of when Bill Buckley headed the New Republic -- that man did NOT suffer fools wisely & would excoriate people who tried to pass off parroted slogans as "opinion," especially Rightists. Whatever his personal leanings, co-founder Ben Domenech realized all media was already swamped with "snark and cynicism" and proposed to offer instead "smart analysis."

A few months after its founding, they published an article by Thomas "Tom" Nichols, [URL="http://thefederalist.com/2014/01/17/the-death-of-expertise/]"The Death of Expertise."[/URL] My interpretation: he makes the case that the populace has become so fascinated with confident people that they tend to believe whoever is talking most, or most aggressively, or loudest... & that demonstrable fact is thus not only falling by the wayside, but is in fact proof that it's wrong.

I mean, . Really, though, it's Propaganda 1-01, Goebbels/Hitler meets Newspeak/Big Brother. It chills me that it's gone from being ancient history &/or fiction to reality.

Nichols points out how 24/7 mobile connectedness & the rise of social media is making people stupider by the second. (How many minutes per day are YOU not within easy reach of a device...?)

Most Righties seemed to accept Nichols' article rather blandly, believing it was just another example of a pet Rightist Intellectual poiting out how stupid the tree-hugging politically-correct Lefties are.

And I am chagrined to say I was similarly self-blinded & didn't pay attention at the time. It's really quite a good article.

Does anyone see where the following describes some Polyamory.com "discussions" from the Election Season past? (It's all one paragraph, but I broke it into bite-size pieces.)
[quote][SIZE="5"]People in political debates no longer distinguish the phrase “you’re wrong” from the phrase “you’re stupid.”

To disagree is to insult.

To correct another is to be a hater.

And to refuse to acknowledge alternative views, no matter how fantastic or inane, is to be closed-minded.[/SIZE][/quote]
Scroll down the article & read the Comments -- better still, sort them by Oldest First. You'll see where it begins to dawn on some Righties & Lefties alike what Nichols is saying. Before long, the author is being denounced by some Wingnuts as clearly an Ivy League Intellectual Commie Jew.

Nichols is proudly Conservative. He also denounced the Donald Trump campaign back when Lefties were being smug ass-hats & assuming they had the election in the bag &/or being "fair-minded" idiots talking each other into refusing to vote for Clinton.

He went off on a "brutal" (pronounced "hilarious") string of 16 #NeverTrump tweets, all 27 May 2016.

Sorry about the repetitions; nobody would claim that IJR is smart. Y'know, I think I'll just put 'em here.
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I am 55 and lived through LBJ, Nixon's resignation, Carter, two Clinton terms and two Obama terms. I can survive four years of Hillary. /1

What I do not think the country or the conservative movement can survive is someone who makes George Wallace look like Churchill. /2

So, you can keep going on about SCOTUS and Emailgate and Bill, and it's all true. I detest Hillary too. But all of that can be fought. /3

Clinton falls on the most awful side of normal. Trump is an ignorant, disturbed rich man playing with the Constitution. /4

And if Trump gets his way, he'll prove that being rich enough, crazy enough, and offensive enough can snuff out a democratic contest. /5

Many of you think that's hilarious. Some of you think he's speaking for you. And some of you know what he is and you support it anyway. /6

But I won't. I will give Clinton those SCOTUS picks, suck it up on the emails, and forget the 1990s. Because I have to. Because of Trump. /7

Also, a President's first job, the one only he can do, is to be Commander-in-Chief. Trump is too mentally unstable to be allowed there. /8

Everything else -- *everything*, including your gun fears, your SCOTUS fears, everything -- is secondary to this one issue. /9

You all think it's hilarious a gay British kid is running around calling a POTUS nominee "Daddy." Now think about that for a moment. /10

If elected, "Daddy" will not build a wall or kick out brown people. But he will control arms that can destroy the planet in 30 minutes. /11

He's proven repeatedly he's an ignorant, racist demagogue. But to feel better about your own crappy lives, you'll hand him 4000 nukes. /12

And while you all whine about SCOTUS, you're supporting a man whose chief adviser was a Ukrainian dictator's PR guy. You idiots. /13

So I say it now, and I'll say it in November: #NeverTrump.
There is not one thing he, or you, can do to change my mind. /14

And in the meantime, I'll try like hell either to change yours, or to shame you for your irresponsibility. /15

Trump is an existential menace to our system of government. So if #NeverTrump means accepting Hillary's win, so be it. /16x
To his credit, he's still kinda pissed off. You can keep up with him @RadioFreeTom.
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To be honest, I do believe Nichols to still have a noticeable smidge of the self-interested Wingnut Bullshit curse. In a tweet (Apr 19) he whines about the kneejerk feminism of Chelsea Clinton & clearly says
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If you're on Twitter (or whatever), by all means put his feet to the fire: a year ago, he wrote that [t]he Trump campaign is a test of character, and many Americans are failing it which certainly appears self-damning.

If he thinks he's going to play all sides & come out looking like the only smart person in the room, he's at least gonna have to make a MUCH better case.

But Nichols has nevertheless left us a trove of delightfully pithy comments about Trump & the New New Right that should be treasured forever. When DJT spoke a year ago about foreign policy, Nichols fired back --
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So, we now know what Donald Trump thinks about foreign policy.

Actually, we don’t. Once again, a Trump speech about policy turned out to be just another word salad of rehashed campaign slogans. And once again, all we learned is that Trump has no idea what he’s talking about, especially when it comes to foreign policy. ...

This wasn’t really a speech about foreign policy. It was a campaign event, meant to reassure Trump’s emotionally-driven, low-information voters that he gave a foreign policy speech.

And so he did. Some Republicans, facing Trump’s mounting primary victories, have even embarrassed themselves by praising it already. And of course, it was more than enough for Trump’s loyalists, as anything Trump does or says, no matter how stupid or incoherent, always is.
And a year ago he published If I Lose Friends Over Trump, So Be It, with points sure to delight any Rightist who get in your way. For example,
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Yes, fellow conservatives: Trump is worse than Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. Their policies are liberal, even leftist, often motivated by cheap politics, ego, and political grandstanding. But they are policies, understandable as such and opposable by political means.

Trump’s various rants, by contrast, do not amount to policies. They are ignorant tone poems, bad haikus, streams of words whose content has no real meaning. They’re not positions available either to the GOP or Democrats, because they do not contain a vision of the future over which those parties can fight.

In fact, Trump’s policies are not policies. They’re just feverish revenge fantasies. Trump, a scam artist whose entire career has been based on victimizing the working class, should be the target of that anger. Instead, he is encouraging Americans to turn their hostility away from him and against their fellow citizens, inviting us into a war of all against all over which he will preside as an amused dictator.
(The comments on this one stand at 1,431.)

Last Nov. 5, a few days before the election, Nichols published What Trump Has Already Cost America, where he admits that
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I am partly to blame here: I have allowed this election, and the degree to which Trump's disgusting antics have succeeded with millions of people, to wear me down. I have tried to maintain engagement with the public as part of my personal vocation as a teacher and a scholar, but I admit that my faith in the virtue of American voters has been shaken.
Here's a review from Federalist.com, where it all started.

A couple of weeks ago, Nichols' book was published, The Death of Expertise: The Campaign Against Established Knowledge and Why It Matters. I've read excerpts, & thus far haven't found where he's done a typical Wingnut flipflop to regain his Rightist credibility.

What I have read DOES make me want to read more, in hopes to put it to use NOT as a weapon against one "side" or another, but to fight a rising tide of bullshit where verifiable fact is not merely distrusted, but denied validity merely because it is provable fact.

To put it another way: experts are imperfect, therefore all experts are wrong about everything, & you'll do better by agreeing with whatever's trending with your "friends" on Facebook.

I've studied a little history. I am saddened that so many otherwise decent, sane German citizens talked themselves into turning a blind eye to Nazi atrocities... but what am I to make of those who gladly embraced each bald lie, & awarded the most egregious with the greatest fervor?
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