What am I missing here or overlooking

Well, you have a lot on your plate. And maybe Pip doesn't even realize she's kind of wearing you guys out. I think it's a good idea to take a day off and get some sleep.


I think I hit my wall today so to speak. I have told madmaxx no threesomes this week. If they want to go ahead they can but I am so tired I need sleep. I need to think.
 
I have asked her how she feels about being intimate alone and she said she is not interested in that and that if she was alone with madmaxx she would probably not do anything either. (...)
I did notice the moment I got into the car the sexual tension spiked up between us all.

(Me and madmaxx) have a very erotic sex life and also do/did things that she will not be invited to do. (Ie there are things I do for him and vice versa that we do care to tell anyone) (he is pansexual)

Our level of kink is very high (...) I like pain so we do that sometimes, since he is pansexual we play that way sometimes.

Thanks for elaborating further on yours and madmaxx's dynamic, Belladonna.

So you both like aspects of kink and non-vanilla sex, clearly. I had been wondering why, if your relationship/sex life had been so fulfilling, and the sex still hot, before... there was such an emphasis on threesome sex with your new partner/bff, at the expense of "couple" sex.

Now I see that this may be partially where Pip comes into it from both your perspectives (excluding the emotional element between you/her for the moment) - because group sex is one "non vanilla menu item" you can't give each other without a third party being involved, obviously.

If that is something you ALL enjoy, I say go for it! - while trying to remain mindful of the potential burn-out factor AND fact that it'd be unwise to put the sexual relationship between you and madmaxx on the back-burner indefinitely.


We have always been very lusty in bed. The only time that drops is when we are tired. And lately we are so tired.

When pip comes over we get very little sleep. Very little. Last week alone we had sex as a threesome 4 times and then me and him once.

It sounds like your involvement with Pip is taking up a lot of the time/energy that you used to have just for each other... maybe the thing to do is pull back a little in the Pip area

That is exactly what I need. I am an introvert and need my alone time also.

I mean things with Pip sound pretty awesome, I'm thinking there are NRE fireworks and the three of you kind of got carried away with it. But you can only keep that up for so long, right?

Sounds like this pace is not sustainable. If you are feeling run down? You are overspending your time allowance. Not paying the rest/sleep "bill." It will come back to bite you.

Each dyad needs time alone. s. Not for only sharing sex, but spending time together, checking in, etc.

QUOTE=Belladonna;387469] (I work 4/10 shifts and am a year away from a psychology BA, oh and two kids) Madmaxx is also in a similar boat (self employeed)
Pip is the only one that has time (single, no children)[/QUOTE]

I think I hit my wall today so to speak. I have told madmaxx no threesomes this week. If they want to go ahead they can but I am so tired I need sleep. I need to think.


The Belladonna/Madmaxx dyad needs nurturing, still, and always will. In fact, as GalaGirl pointed out, each of the different relationship configurations need time alone in order to flourish, no matter how much you enjoy spending time together as three.

Pip may have boundless energy (for threesome sex or socialising, a few nights a week), but that's because, as you said, she doesn't currently have the same level of commitment in other spheres of her life - i.e. no children, no other partner, isn't running a business.

If you're feeling run down and cranky already? This may have to be addressed with her in a calm manner with no hint of blaming anyone, before resentments grow.

I think you're wise to take a self imposed "time out" at this juncture, in order to catch up on sleep... catch your metaphorical breath... and just think all this through.

Do some reflecting, and really examine whether or not you ARE alright with how this is playing out between you three - other than the sleep deprivation which is reversible and fairly easily addressed - and between each dyad.

Keep communicating as new thoughts and idea occur to you, and different feelings crop up. As Kevin said, Pip (and/or madmaxx) may be unaware how all this is affecting your sleep, which in turn affects energy levels and mood.

I'm not sure if "you guys go ahead and do what you will" is going to be a solution, long term - especially if subconsciously, you begin to resent them IF they DO take up your suggestion. Pip has told you she "probably" won't do anything with madmaxx alone, even given the opportunity, and he has intimated that he's not particularly interested in dating her or having sex with her, without your involvement - correct? So how would you feel if they DID in fact go ahead and share one-on-one sex together? Especially considering this arrangement seems to be off the table altogether for you/Pip.
 
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I'm not sure if "you guys go ahead and do what you will" is going to be a solution, long term - especially if subconsciously, you begin to resent them IF they DO take up your suggestion. Pip has told you she "probably" won't do anything with madmaxx alone, even given the opportunity, and he has intimated that he's not particularly interested in dating her or having sex with her, without your involvement - correct? So how would you feel if they DID in fact go ahead and share one-on-one sex together? Especially considering this arrangement seems to be off the table altogether for you/Pip.[/QUOTE]

I did not think of it that way. That would not be good. Plus I do not want to put them in a sutuation that could backfire, that would not be fair. If they come to me thats one thing, me telling anyone what to do is another.
 
It sounds like for now at least, sexual interaction with Pip is limited to threesomes. Maybe that will change in the future, you could play that by ear.
 
Caught up on sleep. Yay me.

Things have been very different lately. I think the NRE is slightly wearing off for everyone and reality is setting in.

Pip blurts a lot. She says things that are odd and make me uncomfortable.
I do not know the meaning of them and I am honestly too afraid to ask. So I have keep her at a distance emotionally. So I am no better than her. We are equally messing this up.

She says we are FWB and I am ok with that. I think at this time it might be better that way. Her behavior is eratic and I think she may really be confused as to what she wants. I am not sure if I am at the place myself to push that mentally.

But I do know I have to put my own problems aside and help.

She blurts things like “thank you for sharing your husband” “you have a very charmed life” “where do I find another madmaxx”“we are great sisterwives”

I see a lot of jealousy in those words that I am not sure how to reassure her.

She would also be very disappointed if she did clone him. She doesnt see the other parts of him. He has adhd and rsd. He is emotionally unavailable most of the time. So maybe I am jealous of the way she views him. I view him in some of the same light. I do think I am very lucky to have found him. All of the bad parts of me he picks the slack up for and vice versa.
So why does it bother me when she says those things.
 
For now I would just trust what she says, operate on the assumption that she's not jealous unless and until she explicitly states that she is. It's possible that she is subconsciously jealous, but that is for her to figure out. And, she needs to explicitly state what her wants/needs are. So that you don't have to try to read her mind.

Can I ask, do you have a regularly-scheduled day/time when the three of you sit down together and discuss relationship issues? Such a routine would give her more opportunities to express herself, so that you wouldn't have to guess. And it's possible you also have some subconscious stuff going on, you need opportunities to bring that to the surface.
 
For now I would just trust what she says, operate on the assumption that she's not jealous unless and until she explicitly states that she is. It's possible that she is subconsciously jealous, but that is for her to figure out. And, she needs to explicitly state what her wants/needs are. So that you don't have to try to read her mind.

Can I ask, do you have a regularly-scheduled day/time when the three of you sit down together and discuss relationship issues? Such a routine would give her more opportunities to express herself, so that you wouldn't have to guess. And it's possible you also have some subconscious stuff going on, you need opportunities to bring that to the surface.


Yes, I am certain there is some subconscious things going on with me.
Why do I care how she views him. I view him the same way.
And he views me the same way. So his love for me is not in question.

I do however think sometimes I am not good enough. So that could be it. Even though i know I am. I can be very hard on myself. Ok very hard. So I am sure that has a lot to do with it.
 
Sounds like it could be a self-esteem thing. And maybe on some level, you worry that Pip will replace you?
 
Pip blurts a lot. She says things that are odd and make me uncomfortable.
I do not know the meaning of them and I am honestly too afraid to ask. So I have keep her at a distance emotionally. So I am no better than her. We are equally messing this up.

She blurts things like “thank you for sharing your husband” “you have a very charmed life” “where do I find another madmaxx”“we are great sisterwives”

I see a lot of jealousy in those words that I am not sure how to reassure her.

There could be some jealousy involved of course, but the word I think you're looking for is ENVY.

Pip appears to be somewhat envious of your life (your great, long-standing relationship, sex life, business/career and family life). On some level, she wants this for herself and almost seems to be trying to live it vicariously, by inserting herself into your domestic situation and making herself indispensable to you and madmaxx.

This thought had struck me earlier in this thread... however, her choice of words (quoted above) make me think this notion isn't too far off base.

Sounds like it could be a self-esteem thing. And maybe on some level, you worry that Pip will replace you?

Belladonna, you may have some esteem issues of your own and, as Kevin suggested, may worry that Pip will "replace" you in madmaxx's bed and/or heart. At times, you may feel somewhat threatened by the possibilities, understandably, even if you otherwise feel your relationship is solid.

However, for the reasons I mentioned further up the page, I think it's much more likely that it's PIP who has issues with envy, esteem and (not) valuing herself highly enough as an individual worthy of love.

I would definitely watch the situation closely and consider if her words and actions align. I'm not suggesting Pip is on a fast track to "Single White Female" or "Fatal Attraction"-like bunny boiler behaviour, :rolleyes: ;) but I would be wary of just how far you allow her to insinuate herself into your home and "love" life, considering you appear to be growing increasingly uncomfortable with her behaviour, which you describe as erratic, and many of the things she says to you in relation to madmaxx.

I mean, does she want madmaxx himself, or just someone LIKE him, for herself? Are you "just" FWB (who is she referring to here: you/her, her/madmaxx, or you/her/madmaxx?) and if so, why does she describe you as "sister wives" - a term which implies much more than a casual arrangement/shared sex.

Your situation reminds me somewhat of another thread that appeared on the forum a couple of months ago, started by txgirl, involving her boyfriend and a good female friend. If you have the time and the inclination you may wish to read this through to the end and see if you can spot some telltale similarities in the behaviour and motivations of the "best friend" - even though the situations are not duplicates of each other:

http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97611

Her behavior is eratic and I think she may really be confused as to what she wants.

She says we are FWB and I am ok with that.
I am not sure if I am at the place myself to push that mentally. But I do know I have to put my own problems aside and help.

Help WHO? Pip? Why do you think you need to put your own problems aside to help HER deal with her issues? :confused:

And HOW do you plan to go about doing that when, as you admit, you yourself have some insecurity and self esteem issues going on, which this situation may be exacerbating rather than aiding.


She would also be very disappointed if she did clone him. She doesnt see the other parts of him. He has adhd and rsd. He is emotionally unavailable most of the time.

It is true that Pip appears to have rose-coloured glasses on when it comes to her feelings for madmaxx (and possibly the "excitement" of the sexual situation between you three).

To some extent this is normal for the NRE phase of any newish relationship. However, it does sound like she is "idealising" both him (madmaxx) AND the relationship that exists between you two - and she wants a piece of that delicious, mouth-watering pie for herself.

As your "best friend" she watched your relationship from the outside and no doubt heard you talk in glowing terms of yours and madmaxx's emotional closeness and passionate sex life. You and madmaxx gradually brought her in closer and closer, until at some point she decided she'd like some of what you're having. And with your joint blessing, she got it.

So, now what? You say Pip doesn't know exactly what she wants... and doesn't sound like you do either. Her uncertainty and odd behaviour is making you doubt the wisdom of your choice. I would certainly move VERY slowly and carefully from here onwards...

I agree with Kevin that you NEED to spend some regular time - preferably scheduled - in which you three sit down and discuss where each person's head is at regarding the relationship. This isn't a conversation that just happens once - communication needs to be CLEAR and ongoing.

DON'T be afraid to ask Pip what she means when she "blurts" something out that you don't understand or doesn't sit well with you. Burying your head in the sand about this isn't going to make it go away, as you surely know.

I don't want to breed unnecessary suspicion, but if it were me, I'd be a little sceptical of Pip's true motivations and desires here.
 
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She blurts things like “thank you for sharing your husband” “you have a very charmed life” “where do I find another madmaxx”“we are great sisterwives”

I see a lot of jealousy in those words that I am not sure how to reassure her.

I am going to take that one at a time from my own POV if it were me in those shoes.

At this time you are FWB. Her blurting bugs you. Here is how I would reply to each one when it happened.

“thank you for sharing your husband”

I don't share him or own him. He is a person, not a thing or toy. People are here because they each consent to be here. If you meant "I am happy to be in this 3 way FWB relationship" say that instead. Please do not talk about people like they are objects.

“you have a very charmed life”

Thank you.

“where do I find another madmaxx”

I assume this is rhetorical. You find other partners by getting out there to date.

“we are great sisterwives”

We are not sister wives. We are FWB who sometimes share casual sex. I am glad you think we are great FWBs.

I see a lot of jealousy in those words that I am not sure how to reassure her.

She hasn't actually asked you for reassurance or any help. Why read things into it? And why is it automatically your job to reassure her?

If you are wanting to "solve" her stuff so she stops blurting at you?

Seems easier to address your problem more directly rather than "from the back door."

Could say "Hey, I feel uncomfortable when you randomly say things like _____ to me. Could you please be willing to stop doing that? When you pop up and share thoughts like that it feels like blurting to me. If you need to talk something out, you can ask me for a time to talk. But I don't like "random announcements." I prefer requests."

I would find this blurt-y stuff annoying.

I don't like random announcements because growing up that is how things were "requested." Nobody made actual requests. They just made "random announcements" to the air, expecting someone to get up to serve and do the thing. It's a passive way of relating and I don't enjoy that.

Being twitterpated is fine... but it can get annoying for others if it comes with a lot gushing lalas. If she's gushing at you and you need to hear less? Tell her to talk to other people. Her NRE may be going on longer than your own. You sound like you are coming off it.

One of the things for compatibility is the idea of preferred levels of "togetherness" and "separateness." I like independence. I do not want a lot of "togetherness" like joined at the hip. I need time on my own to recharge my introvert batteries. I don't need to be at max alone, like a 1. But I would put me at like a 3. Def need lots of time alone. You have been overextended lately, and are trying to solve that with a more realistic schedule.

If her personality is "super togetherness" -- like an 8? A 3 and an 8 might not get long. The gap is too big to bridge. Where a 4 and a 6 might be ok. YKWIM? What is your number? Hers? What's the gap like?

It may be that you guys were compatible enough for some casual sex, but this isn't going to be more than that.

Maybe you find it annoying when she casts herself as more than a FWB -- wanting to act like a "GF" or like a "sister wife" when that isn't the relationship you have with her. She goes for more "togetherness" than this actually is.

She doesnt see the other parts of him. He has adhd and rsd. He is emotionally unavailable most of the time. So maybe I am jealous of the way she views him. I view him in some of the same light. I do think I am very lucky to have found him. All of the bad parts of me he picks the slack up for and vice versa. So why does it bother me when she says those things.

She doesn't have an accurate view of him -- you know him better/longer. And she doesn't have an accurate view of you either.

And that is why her views of him/you bug you. They are not realistic pictures.

Maybe for you this is casual sex FWB and that is it. And for her, it's like start with FWB and RUSH to GF/sister wife and that innacurate view bugs you.

Galagirl
 
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There could be some jealousy involved of course, but the word I think you're looking for is ENVY.

Pip appears to be somewhat envious of your life (your great, long-standing relationship, sex life, business/career and family life). On some level, she wants this for herself and almost seems to be trying to live it vicariously, by inserting herself into your domestic situation and making herself indispensable to you and madmaxx.

This thought had struck me earlier in this thread... however, her choice of words (quoted above) make me think this notion isn't too far off base.



Belladonna, you may have some esteem issues of your own and, as Kevin suggested, may worry that Pip will "replace" you in madmaxx's bed and/or heart. At times, you may feel somewhat threatened by the possibilities, understandably, even if you otherwise feel your relationship is solid.

However, for the reasons I mentioned further up the page, I think it's much more likely that it's PIP who has issues with envy, esteem and (not) valuing herself highly enough as an individual worthy of love.

I would definitely watch the situation closely and consider if her words and actions align. I'm not suggesting Pip is on a fast track to "Single White Female" or "Fatal Attraction"-like bunny boiler behaviour, :rolleyes: ;) but I would be wary of just how far you allow her to insinuate herself into your home and "love" life, considering you appear to be growing increasingly uncomfortable with her behaviour, which you describe as erratic, and many of the things she says to you in relation to madmaxx.

I mean, does she want madmaxx himself, or just someone LIKE him, for herself? Are you "just" FWB (who is she referring to here: you/her, her/madmaxx, or you/her/madmaxx?) and if so, why does she describe you as "sister wives" - a term which implies much more than a casual arrangement/shared sex.

Your situation reminds me somewhat of another thread that appeared on the forum a couple of months ago, started by txgirl, involving her boyfriend and a good female friend. If you have the time and the inclination you may wish to read this through to the end and see if you can spot some telltale similarities in the behaviour and motivations of the "best friend" - even though the situations are not duplicates of each other:

http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97611



Help WHO? Pip? Why do you think you need to put your own problems aside to help HER deal with her issues? :confused:

And HOW do you plan to go about doing that when, as you admit, you yourself have some insecurity and self esteem issues going on, which this situation may be exacerbating rather than aiding.




It is true that Pip appears to have rose-coloured glasses on when it comes to her feelings for madmaxx (and possibly the "excitement" of the sexual situation between you three).

To some extent this is normal for the NRE phase of any newish relationship. However, it does sound like she is "idealising" both him (madmaxx) AND the relationship that exists between you two - and she wants a piece of that delicious, mouth-watering pie for herself.

As your "best friend" she watched your relationship from the outside and no doubt heard you talk in glowing terms of yours and madmaxx's emotional closeness and passionate sex life. You and madmaxx gradually brought her in closer and closer, until at some point she decided she'd like some of what you're having. And with your joint blessing, she got it.

So, now what? You say Pip doesn't know exactly what she wants... and doesn't sound like you do either. Her uncertainty and odd behaviour is making you doubt the wisdom of your choice. I would certainly move VERY slowly and carefully from here onwards...

I agree with Kevin that you NEED to spend some regular time - preferably scheduled - in which you three sit down and discuss where each person's head is at regarding the relationship. This isn't a conversation that just happens once - communication needs to be CLEAR and ongoing.

DON'T be afraid to ask Pip what she means when she "blurts" something out that you don't understand or doesn't sit well with you. Burying your head in the sand about this isn't going to make it go away, as you surely know.

I don't want to breed unnecessary suspicion, but if it were me, I'd be a little sceptical of Pip's true motivations and desires here.


Thank you for you responce. That gives me a lot to think about.
I believe I have also had rose colored glasses for her too and have a hard time seeing past my own wants here.
 
It does sound a bit like your rose-colored glasses are starting to come off. You may need to reassess where you want to be in your relationship with her.
 
Am I the only one here getting the feeling that Pip sounds slightly cowgirlish? Or rather, trying to be similar to Belladonna for Madmaxx.... while not being interested in her "that way"...

Sounds more like she's in it for Madmaxx and wants what Belladonna has. And oh, she's mono, so probably wouldn't want to share if sharing or not were up to her...

I'm putting blunt words to a lot of subtle perceptions here, but a good question may be what a mono woman is doing in a triad. Or for that matter, getting into a situation that could become more.

Perhaps I'm projecting my past, but I've developed a healthy skepticism of mono women who get tangled up with men in committed relationships (or vice versa).

On the other hand, Belladonna and Madmaxx call themselves monogamous too, so maybe the whole dictionary is out the window.
 
Am I the only one here getting the feeling that Pip sounds slightly cowgirlish? Or rather, trying to be similar to Belladonna for Madmaxx.... while not being interested in her "that way"...

Sounds more like she's in it for Madmaxx and wants what Belladonna has.


No, I definitely got that impression also, especially after Belladonna's post in which she detailed some of the comments made by Pip in relation to madmaxx. Not to mention her questions regarding what he likes, what his tastes are... etc.

I'm not sure Pip is trying to "cowgirl" madmaxx (though that may be her ultimate aim, even subconsciously), so much as she has feelings for him and is envious of the relationship between madmaxx and her "bff", Belladonna.

To my mind, it's almost like she is trying "get a piece of" madmaxx for herself, or trying to live Belladonna's life vicariously - not sure that's the right word - by aligning herself with her friend, trying to become "like" her in the hopes of sparking madmaxx's interest, and insinuating herself into their relationship.

If you notice my last post, this is why I pointed out the below:

There could be some jealousy involved of course, but the word I think you're looking for is ENVY.

I'm not suggesting Pip is on a fast track to "Single White Female" or "Fatal Attraction"-like bunny boiler behaviour, :rolleyes: ;) but I would be wary of just how far you allow her to insinuate herself into your home and "love" life

I mean, does she want madmaxx himself, or just someone LIKE him, for herself? it does sound like she is "idealising" both him (madmaxx)... and she wants a piece of that delicious, mouth-watering pie for herself.

I don't want to breed unnecessary suspicion, but if it were me, I'd be a little sceptical of Pip's true motivations and desires here.


It seems obvious that Pip isn't particularly interested in a f/f relationship or one on one sex/romance with Belladonna (i.e. she's not bi or lesbian)... though the OP clearly has some feelings for Pip, which is muddying the waters.

However, it seems like Pip is willing to "go there" with Belladonna in order to gain access to madmaxx, since he has made it clear he's unwilling to date/have a sexual relationship one-on-one with Pip.

To me, it looks like a recipe for confusion and some hurt feelings on the part of the OP - because, in all likelihood, if the women continue to be physically intimate with each other in any capacity (whether threesomes or anything else) it may become more and more difficult for Belladonna to keep things to FWB only since she admits to feeling some degree of attraction/affection for Pip.

Yet, if she decides she can't handle the emotional uncertainty involved and chooses to remove herself from madmaxx and Pip's sexual activities, then the situation will become more of a "V" with madmaxx as shared hinge. I'm not sure if the OP or her partner are prepared for that, though it may well be what Pip is angling for.
 
Am I the only one here getting the feeling that Pip sounds slightly cowgirlish?

I don't know if she's intentionally cowgirlish, but to me? It sounds like it was not a great choice to rush into sex when originally they wanted to go slower.

Like had concerns. Then chose to ignore the concerns and shared a threesome. Now regret going there so fast because things have gotten weird.

Might be coming to terms with rushing that choice.

Might be coming to terms that Pip could be more into Maddmax than Belladonna.

Might be coming to terms with the rosy glasses coming off. Not just with the potential FWB thing, but perhaps the whole friendship thing before that as well. People are different. But for me it would be too much togetherness/too tight for someone I've only known just under two years to want to be over all the time, share my clothes, cut kids hair and all that.

I do not know the meaning of them and I am honestly too afraid to ask. So I have keep her at a distance emotionally. So I am no better than her. We are equally messing this up.

Might also be coming to terms with personal areas of improvement. Like the fact that "avoiding things" does not work well in this situation. So Belladonna may have to learn to be assertive and address things head on.

It's a lot to process. You have my sympathies, Belladonna.

I hope you think things out for what it is you want to be doing here. And decide to be up front with Pip and Maddmaxx about it rather than continue in an uncertain way.

If this has just gotten too weird for you? You don't have to keep doing it. It's ok to say "I changed my mind. I don't want to be doing a FWB thing. Got too weird for me."

Galagirl
 
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Am I the only one here getting the feeling that Pip sounds slightly cowgirlish? Or rather, trying to be similar to Belladonna for Madmaxx.... while not being interested in her "that way"...

Sounds more like she's in it for Madmaxx and wants what Belladonna has. And oh, she's mono, so probably wouldn't want to share if sharing or not were up to her...

I'm putting blunt words to a lot of subtle perceptions here, but a good question may be what a mono woman is doing in a triad. Or for that matter, getting into a situation that could become more.

Perhaps I'm projecting my past, but I've developed a healthy skepticism of mono women who get tangled up with men in committed relationships (or vice versa).

On the other hand, Belladonna and Madmaxx call themselves monogamous too, so maybe the whole dictionary is out the window.

No I completely understand what you are saying. Madmaxx likes play. So maybe a swinger even if he isn’t currently looking.

Me I am polyamourus but not usually open. I only said mono because i am not open to dating others right now (and possibly forever) but I do know I am polyamorous by heart.
 
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So even more confused than ever. We went to a museum yesterday the 3 of us. I had figured that I would keep my space from her (as far as touching goes) so to not make her uncomfortable. She ended up touching me the entire time and only touching madmaxx a few times.

Later we go to the car and madmaxx goes to pay for a space on his own and she asks to kiss me. We kiss. Its so nice.

Later in the day. We go back to her house and she takes me to her room and we have some heavy kissing and petting. Madmaxx was in the room but was not involved.

She also asks me and madmaxx if I can go with her on vacation this summer and he watches the kids.

Beyond confused at this point. She did say she did not know that she would feel this way with a women.
 
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Hmmm, she definitely seems to be showing signs of interest in you. I guess that's good news, unless -- gods forbid -- she's only faking it? Would you know she was faking it, would you be able to tell? I guess is the question.
 
Hmmm, she definitely seems to be showing signs of interest in you. I guess that's good news, unless -- gods forbid -- she's only faking it? Would you know she was faking it, would you be able to tell? I guess is the question.


If she was faking it that is super higher level faking it. Without being too tmi, I made her orgasm with the heavy petting, and without going into too much detail it wasnt faked.
 
I am thinking that for now, you can operate on the assumption that she is interested in you, separately from the interest she has in Madmaxx. Go on that summer vacation with her, and have a good time. It's not guaranteed that you're safe, but I believe it's 99% certain.
 
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