Dirtclustit
Banned
I don't think men are playing around
and I don't think education will help men who rape, nor do I think they should be helped as much as combatted. I don't believe there is "subtle" rape, if a man can get consent from a fully knowledgeable, alert and awake woman -- which at any time that consent can be retracted by simply stating stop, or anything with similar meaning such as no -- no matter how manipulative or how much of a weasel salesman, or slick grammarian the man is, it wouldn't be rape. Mental coercion is physical force.
It might be effective to teach women that men who ask for sex and have to be told twice, are assholes who probably will rape you if you pass out, so they might not want to drink around such men, but if a woman can be talked into having sex, that is not rape. Men try that shit all the time, and if every woman had some mental point that could be reached wherein they would finally agree, many men would be rapists because the sad thing is many men don't give fuck whether the women desires to have sex, because most men are straight up assholes.
How do you teach a person to respect another whom they do not?
Not caring whether or not a woman desires to have sex with them is not respect. People who do not respect others inherently, cannot be taught respect, they can only be taught submission.
more accurately, males who do not respect others who are respectable, cannot be taught to respect, they can only be taught submission.
Women's minds are more open, and with that openness comes a greater ability to see and know the truth
Explicit consent that is retractable at any point before or during sex is a good line to distinguish rape from not rape. Smooth talking a women into consenting to sex just means the male is an asshole, which is typical, but not rape. It near impossible to teach a person how not to be an asshole if he is an asshole.
Assholes are people who don't care, and for the very few individuals who are assholes, but honestly do care about others are very apparent. People who want to learn are easy to educate, those who do not are impossible to educate.
I know he's a popular author, and it's not OK to oppose his theories, and this entire post is a perfect example of what happens when someone does.
Relationships are all about offering and acceptance, and all this bullshit about monogamy being wrong and poly being right, has poisoned many people's mind.
What's right to offer and have another accept, won't be right between two other people's agreement
The distinction between my views and others damn near black and white, just because if appears there is so little difference in ground between us, or even if it difference is extremely subtle, doesn't mean the difference isn't night and day.
Telling a person who is only one half of the agreement that she needs to agree with anything is wrong. Her relationship may be wrong for you and it may even be wrong for her husband, but the only real way to honestly help them is to help them figure out what THEY want, because it doesn't matter one tiny fucking iota what anybody else wants. That is how a relationship works, and when the relationship is between more than two people, THEY refers to them all.
there really isn't a right or wrong except for what is right for the three of them and anyone else involved.
It's true that when you believe in, or hold false beliefs in your core beliefs or your constitution, you will accept people and their behavior in your life even though you do not want it, you accept it because you feel you don't have a choice. So anytime someone is made to feel that they have to do something, I will speak up and say "fuck that, you don't need to do anything" because they don't. If there's anything they need to be doing in order to be right and or just happy, they need to not listen to ignorant people, that includes ignorant mono and poly people
and I don't think education will help men who rape, nor do I think they should be helped as much as combatted. I don't believe there is "subtle" rape, if a man can get consent from a fully knowledgeable, alert and awake woman -- which at any time that consent can be retracted by simply stating stop, or anything with similar meaning such as no -- no matter how manipulative or how much of a weasel salesman, or slick grammarian the man is, it wouldn't be rape. Mental coercion is physical force.
It might be effective to teach women that men who ask for sex and have to be told twice, are assholes who probably will rape you if you pass out, so they might not want to drink around such men, but if a woman can be talked into having sex, that is not rape. Men try that shit all the time, and if every woman had some mental point that could be reached wherein they would finally agree, many men would be rapists because the sad thing is many men don't give fuck whether the women desires to have sex, because most men are straight up assholes.
How do you teach a person to respect another whom they do not?
Not caring whether or not a woman desires to have sex with them is not respect. People who do not respect others inherently, cannot be taught respect, they can only be taught submission.
more accurately, males who do not respect others who are respectable, cannot be taught to respect, they can only be taught submission.
Women's minds are more open, and with that openness comes a greater ability to see and know the truth
Explicit consent that is retractable at any point before or during sex is a good line to distinguish rape from not rape. Smooth talking a women into consenting to sex just means the male is an asshole, which is typical, but not rape. It near impossible to teach a person how not to be an asshole if he is an asshole.
Assholes are people who don't care, and for the very few individuals who are assholes, but honestly do care about others are very apparent. People who want to learn are easy to educate, those who do not are impossible to educate.
I know he's a popular author, and it's not OK to oppose his theories, and this entire post is a perfect example of what happens when someone does.
Relationships are all about offering and acceptance, and all this bullshit about monogamy being wrong and poly being right, has poisoned many people's mind.
What's right to offer and have another accept, won't be right between two other people's agreement
The distinction between my views and others damn near black and white, just because if appears there is so little difference in ground between us, or even if it difference is extremely subtle, doesn't mean the difference isn't night and day.
Telling a person who is only one half of the agreement that she needs to agree with anything is wrong. Her relationship may be wrong for you and it may even be wrong for her husband, but the only real way to honestly help them is to help them figure out what THEY want, because it doesn't matter one tiny fucking iota what anybody else wants. That is how a relationship works, and when the relationship is between more than two people, THEY refers to them all.
there really isn't a right or wrong except for what is right for the three of them and anyone else involved.
It's true that when you believe in, or hold false beliefs in your core beliefs or your constitution, you will accept people and their behavior in your life even though you do not want it, you accept it because you feel you don't have a choice. So anytime someone is made to feel that they have to do something, I will speak up and say "fuck that, you don't need to do anything" because they don't. If there's anything they need to be doing in order to be right and or just happy, they need to not listen to ignorant people, that includes ignorant mono and poly people
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