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Old 02-22-2018, 12:59 AM
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What is secularism?

Why does it matter?
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Old 02-22-2018, 01:00 AM
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I have more questions than answers!

Here is some fodder for questioning.:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG6Fd_2yNt4
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It would seem that the current government of the United States is moving away from secularism.
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Old 03-04-2018, 07:53 PM
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It would seem that the current government of the United States is moving away from secularism.
It is difficult for a nation to remain secular when so many people are deeply religious, in more or less the same sort of way (having more-or-less the same religion). Especially when that religion claims to have the one and only "truth" about all important matters.
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Yeah, I guess we do have that problem ...
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Secularism is the principle of the separation of government institutions and persons mandated to represent the state from religious institution and religious dignitaries.

One manifestation of secularism is asserting the right to be free from religious rule and teachings, or, in a state declared to be neutral on matters of belief, from the imposition by government of religion or religious practices upon its people.

Another manifestation of secularism is the view that public activities and decisions, especially political ones, should be uninfluenced by religious beliefs or practices.
Why it's important: as Brandeis pointed up in "The Right to Privacy" (1890), the greatest right is "the right to be let alone" -- in this instance, to not be discriminated against for not fitting readily into some sort of community standard.
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I remain unconvinced that so much of the population is "deeply religious" as is so often claimed.

Consider polls about voting. The national Census found that an overwhelming majority of citizens would agree with the statement "I voted in the last election"... but a significant chunk of those couldn't answer the follow-up question, "Where is your polling station?" Clearly, they hadn't voted at all in recent years. Fully 1/3 of elegible voters haven't turned out for Presidential elections since 1900; in recent years it's more like 40%-50%, yet the majority will swear (vehemently) they voted, because that's the expected behavior.

In like manner, I suspect that many citizens might have their predispositions -- a nice word for prejudices -- but do not attend religious services regularly (if at all).

Plenty of people claim to be Christian, yet it's not as though there is some Bureau Of Standards that determines whether they act upon some standard codified set of beliefs. (Most Rightist hate-groups claim (with impunity) to be Christian.)

This claim can readily be made even if they have never belonged to a church, or cannot quote a single passage from their supposed Holy Book.

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A 2013 survey reported that 31% of Americans attend religious services at least weekly.

In 2006, an online Harris Poll found that 26% of those surveyed attended religious services "every week or more often"

In a 2009 Gallup International survey, 41.6% of American citizens said that they attended a church, synagogue, or mosque once a week or almost every week.
In NONE of such examples were followup questions presented, such as "which church do you attend?" much less any attempt made to verify that they did indeed make such an onerous pilgrimage. I feel it's reasonable to guess there's a significant degree of fudging, & that "almost weekly" is more like "every month or maybe three."

Per "the American Values Atlas published by the Public Religion Research Institute (2017)," 24% are self-described "unaffiliated" (by comparison, Catholics make up 20%). A 2014 Pew Research Center poll found similar numbers, with most Unaffiliateds (15.8%) being "nothing in particular."
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I've learned to give a wide berth to some folks, to leave them entirely alone.
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Our current administration is merely marketing itself as moving away from secularism. Think about it. Who is easier to manipulate, those who believe in something or those who don't?
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All depends on what you mean by "believe."
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All depends on what you mean by "believe."
In the Christian sense. I guess I should be more specific. Christians are easy to manipulate, particularly white christians.
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