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Old 10-06-2010, 05:32 AM
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His idea was that his proposal will strengthen our bonds as intimate couples for a long time. I now wonder if he was really serious.... the wives are non-committal though.

He has good looks and claims he had earlier fathered a cute baby girl for a childless couple about 3 yrs ago.

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Old 10-06-2010, 12:12 PM
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His idea was that his proposal will strengthen our bonds as intimate couples for a long time. I now wonder if he was really serious.... the wives are non-committal though.

He has good looks and claims he had earlier fathered a cute baby girl for a childless couple about 3 yrs ago.

Alexi
I think that is one doozy of a wrong reason to create a human being (or two, if the second thing is also one of his "reasons"). It sounds like this guy bases his masculinity and self-worth on how many eggs his sperm can fertilize.

[cue ass-whooping for being "judgmental" - see signature]

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Old 10-06-2010, 02:34 PM
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Wow, it seems to him that kids are pawns for creating a stronger bond. Well, he is right. It will be stronger, because it will be all about the kids, the moment someone gets pregnant. It will be for the rest of the lives of whom ever creates the child. If he thinks that it would be all about cute cuddly babies that one can gaze at and coo at and then get about being intimate with ones partner then all I have to say is HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! ya right! So doesn't happen like that.

You know that saying that that they say to new parents that they have a "bundle of joy?" Well, its bullshit. Babies are demanding, self centered, loud, consume your entire brain because you have to think about schedules, feeding, changes, clothing, schools, dynamics with parents, grand parents, other children... it goes on forever...They are no "bundle of joy." Maybe if at the end of the day when everything is done for them and them only, you get a fleeting moment of "oh ya! i love them" if you are lucky. Otherwise there is a ton of resentment and exhaustion. yet, miraculously you keep going!

So, ya, do I think its a good idea? Absolutely not. Unless you want your entire dynamic to change and the huge possibility of your quad to fold.

Really I think this guy has some unresolved issues around the loss of his child. I say loss because he fathered a child that he never got to raise. It seems to of affected him. Guess what! because its human nature to be affected when our genes are involved. Again, babies are not pawns for us to push around and think are cute. they are human beings. they are new life. that fact should never be taken lightly if we are to have a healthy future generation. It should never be taken lightly to think it doesn't affect us, even if we don't raise them.

I'm sorry if I sound condescending, but I find it very frustrating that people don't remember that they were children too once upon a time and that they also had a childhood that effected who they are as adults... how is it that they don't see that they would create a child that didn't ask to be born that will also have a childhood. Wouldn't they want to have the best for them. The least amount of trauma, the most love, support, stability and best chance at a future. After all, they will be around for the rest of your life! They never ever go away. you can't get rid of them once they are here. Its a HUGE decision! and should never be done to create any amount of closeness to a partner or anyone. It just doesn't happen like that.
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Old 10-06-2010, 05:13 PM
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Also what about the adults? What if you find that someone isn't fertile? It's hard enough not being able to conceive when everyone around you seems to be having babies. I can't imagine adding to that the pressure of having to balance out the babies so that everyone has their genetics evenly dispersed. It just seems like a really bad plan. Babies should be brought into the world because THEY are wanted not because it will make the relationship stronger. There are plenty of mono couples who do the same thing to save a relationship. Guess what? It doesn't work. If you have stress or things aren't great as they are having kids just makes that worse!
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Old 10-06-2010, 05:19 PM
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I think it's a bad idea. It seems like it's using kids to have some kind of concrete bond between you guys, but it completely ignores said kid in the process.

Are you all living together? If you were, then I would understand something along the line of "let's stop using birth control, and whoever gets pregnant, we'll raise the kid together and consider each of us a parent". And of course in a case like that you might not even know who is the father, or care for that matter.

Still, if you don't live together, where would the kid live? Would each kid live with their mom and be raised by the non-biological father, with biological ties to the other?

It all sounds very messy and I would say, if you want a strong bond, try something that won't involve someone else for the entirety of their lives. If you don't live together, think about moving together, for instance. Of I don't know, make joint purchases. Something that binds you together but, if things go wrong, will only be a mess for the four of you, without catching kids in the middle of it.

And well, since you don't feel that it's a good idea, then definitely, don't do it. Any child should ideally be planned and really wanted, because it's hard enough when it's a child you seriously want, it's all the harder if you're not into the idea. And you certainly don't want to regret having a kid, that would suck for everyone involved.

I can see an idea like this one work in a completely different situation, but I don't think you've been together long enough to be sure you're past the NRE and in the right mind to raise kids.
Also, I would suggest not having two at once (seems like the plan was for both women to be pregnant, then later both of them to be pregnant again, each time at the same time). I'd say if you're lucky enough to have more people to take care of kids, don't "ruin" that advantage by having more kids simultaneously. You might find that four people for one kid might already be hard on all of you.
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Old 10-06-2010, 06:57 PM
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His idea was that his proposal will strengthen our bonds as intimate couples for a long time. I now wonder if he was really serious.... the wives are non-committal though.

He has good looks and claims he had earlier fathered a cute baby girl for a childless couple about 3 yrs ago.

Alexi
I'm sorry, I feel like puking !

A child is a living creature/human being ! They are not tools for others to use to manipulate their own personal lives and agendas !

Now, beyond the pure disgust, the future is uncertain enough for any family to think long and hard about what raising a child involves in the way of sacrifice.

I just could not fathom this - I'm sorry.

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Old 10-06-2010, 10:04 PM
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I have to second what Redpepper says. I think it would also cause awkwardness in living arrangements. It would be hard I would think on the father of the child not to want to be with it. Especially, the first one.

While I was very very lucky, my child was a very easy baby. Didn't cry unless it was pooping. My child might cry with others, as long as I was holding my child no crying.
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Old 10-07-2010, 03:49 AM
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I thank everyone of you for your very kind and thought provoking replies to my dilemma. This removed my confusion.

Infact we four discussed your replies amongst ourselves and all of us very convincingly decided not to have kids atleast for the time being.

Thank you
Alexi
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:23 AM
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This is a risky proposition, on many levels.

1. Legal: depending on where you live, you run the risk of ostracizing your families, your children and your community to outright losing legal custody of your children. Please check the family law in your country or state before even thinking about getting pregnant.

2. Emotional: Adults have feelings and, more importantly, children have feelings. Adults may well decide to part ways and if parenthood is mingled, children will suffer due to separation. Please remember that as adults, we can choose whether or not to have kids but kids don't get to choose what family they're born into. Making a solid commitment to create a loving home for children is a serious business, ethically and, in many places, legally.

3. Financial: if you split up, who will support the kids?

4. Practical: if you split up, where will the kids live? Who will take care of them?

As a single and successfully poly mother of two kids, I'm not just talking out of my a** here. Please do some serious research before you commit to caring for dependent human beings for 18 years or more!
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Old 10-08-2010, 03:54 PM
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So I am married and have a two year old. Live with my husband the boyfriend is a couple hours away..Any poly people here who have kids and how does this work out for you? I suppose when i initally found my husband friend attractive it was also considering the things that are missing from his life and in a way if he wanted, (and I very much wanted) him to know the joy of being with children. He has never been married and has no children. Or do you see this as being a potential problem? Since he is unaware of the demands of children?and has such a different lifestyle.
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