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Old 08-27-2010, 02:11 PM
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I don't think you are expecting to much. What are your expectations? To be safe and happy. This is why I don't like the idea of not meeting her. If she's going to sleep with your husband you deserve to lay out your concerns and speak to her about them and it's total bull about it being only the guys fault about the dishonesty. She is proving that in some way she is benefitting from these wives not knowing, by not wanting to meet you. She needs to learn a new way to get whatever that need is met without putting other people's lives and relationships at risk. There are pluses to being the mistress. She gets all the romance without real life responsibility, attatchment, and stress. Also, there is always a rush from something being taboo or naughty. These are all things that can be achieved in an honest way through poly by speaking openly about what one wishes the dynamic to be.
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Old 08-27-2010, 03:24 PM
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The thing with new relationships is that one tends to want to covet them and keep them precious because we feel all soowny and hyper sexed over them. That is awesome when you are mono and don't have other responsibilities to others, but when you are undertaking a poly relationship it can lead to disaster. I am wondering if this is how he is feeling?

My husband, PN, does this with new relationships. His "on/off" button is not the best, but he is getting it slowly. He finds it hard to be present with me and connected still and when he gets like that I begin to feel disconnected and suspicious of his intentions also. Luckily for me he would never let his emotions and NRE allow him to be bowled over until he just throws up his arms with a "what the hell" and has sex with someone who he is having strong feelings like that with.

I have noticed that he gets irritable and accusatory that I am dampening his good time just by my very existence however. That is part of it. I get in the way of his wallowing in his lovey dovey feelings and really he wishes I would just bugger off and let him covet and gling to his feelings mumbling "my precious" under his breath. I wonder if this is what you man is doing? Your asking to be involved is wrecking his zen... not that you shouldn't, cause you are his wake up call! I definitely support you on this one!

I have found that to let him do what he needs to do is the best bet. That way he can feel what he feels and then come out the other side and make decisions. The more I try and get his attention the more it distracts him from making decisions. Of course I trust him entirely and have experienced him in these situations a few times and so know enough to rely on that trust.

The clincher here is her infidelity. She isn't a woman of integrity it seems and to me that is a HUGE deal. When PN was in love with a woman that I struggled with I eventually threatened him with a veto. Maybe not the best idea, but it got the message across. I told him that he was too involved and it was taking away from his family that he was so distracted by this woman that couldn't care less about his feelings and was going to continue to sleep around and hurt him. In my opinion he needed to tell her how he felt about her and if that didn't get a response back of her loving him that he should give her up. He had over invested. Poor dear, he does tend to over invest in those that are not as invested. So he gave her up because he also trusts my judgment and relies on it when he is negotiating a relationship.

Her response to his undieing love for her was "oh too bad, I don't get to fuck you anymore." Pretty clear what her investment was and her intentions.... she laughed at him and looked confused when he told her he loved her.

I find it interesting that she is not interested in knowing you after you phone sex, not once, but twice... also that she declined the third time. I think that she sounds like a woman that is used to getting her needs met for a good time not a long time and likes the thrill of sexual relations but is not interested or doesn't think the connection and depth is possible.

I would wonder if she is drawing him in to satisfy her need to fuck around and then when the thrill is worn off will go and look for someone else. Some people derive their feelings of self worth from that. I find that very sad and lonely as I have been in that place and realize now it's selfish and false. It's all temporary and when I got to a place of wanting more depth I was abandoned by my confused pursuers. "what? I just wanted to masturbate in your body... and then move on!?" Unfortunately she will find a world of men that would be quite happy to feed her false self worth.

The thing is that your husband is better than them. He is now walking amongst their ranks and is willing to do so in the hopes of being loved by this woman. It sounds like she has turned on her charm in order to lure him in and is giving him all the right cues to do so. She might even think she does love him and all the other flash in the pans she has in her life... but I would wonder if she does... that's just me though, when love is pure and full of honesty, then to me it is real. Otherwise its a wolf dressed up in sheep's clothing and a nightmare is waiting to happen.
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Old 08-28-2010, 06:52 PM
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T when love is pure and full of honesty, then to me it is real. Otherwise its a wolf dressed up in sheep's clothing and a nightmare is waiting to happen.
You have given me a lot to think about redpepper. My husband knows i am reading this forum and wants to read with me. So i think i will let him start with what you said. We are doing better or at least talking a lot more and getting out how we are both feeling and I actually talked to the gf for 3 whole mins last night . Not much but i guess its a start.
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Old 09-01-2010, 01:44 PM
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OK so hubby and M (gf) haven't been talking as much...which i can't say i am sad about. He has been flirting and talking to a new girl S and i really like her. She and I have been talking and having real conversations. Last night the 3 of us spent hours talking to each other in the same chat window, this would never happen with M. I really am hoping that M will fade out of our lives and i have told hubby that. He loves her and i can't just take that from him but i think he is seeing what she is doing to me and is really listening now. But i am feeling better and just seeing how things play out. He is still wishing that M and me can be friends but i really think we are past that stage now. I can't fake liking someone i am just no good at it .

Hoping the 3 of get to talk again tonight.
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