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Old 08-24-2010, 04:19 AM
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Gender neutral is not identifying with being male or female, but rather as neither or in between. A person could be biologically female and identify as gender neutral (or as male) for example.

I saw this awesome chart once as part of a presentation this awesome speaker did for one of my fiance's classes. It had biological sex, gender you identify with, gender you present yourself as, gender you are attracted to... showing all the different combinations that are possible.

Yes I said awesome chart and awesome speaker in the same sentence, but really they were.
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Old 08-24-2010, 07:21 AM
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I identify with pansexual because I have a thing for F to M transexuals. Tranny boys.

I have been known to crush out on very random people, its not gender specific at all.
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:47 AM
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So, what you guys are saying is that people think that when someone says that they're "bisexual", as opposed to "pansexual", it must mean they want to have sex with everyone they meet, just because they are male or female?

That's the silliest thing I ever heard. It would seem to follow that heterosexuals want to have sex with every person of the opposite sex, and homosexuals want to have sex with every person of the same sex. We're ALL attracted to "people not genders". I have never met a single person that was attracted to others JUST because they were a certain gender. That's like saying you're attracted to people just because they are a certain race. I know there are folks who date only people of certain races, but that still doesn't mean that someone who dates, say, only African Pygmies is attracted to every African Pygmie they happen to meet.

Get real.
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:49 AM
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So, what you guys are saying is that people think that when someone says that they're "bisexual", it must mean they want to have sex with everyone they meet, just because they are male or female?
I don't think anyone here said that, Neon. I only wanna have sex with the cute ones.
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:50 AM
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I don't think anyone here said that, Neon. I only wanna have sex with the cute ones.

No, but several people have said that they use the word "pansexual" instead of "bisexual" to make it clear that they are attracted to "people, not genders". And I am calling that out as semantic psychobabble.

ETA: But I hear you about "only the cute ones"!
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:57 AM
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Well, straight people, by definition, would only be attracted to the "opposite" sex. A straight man might feel uncomfortable to find out that a woman he's been dating actually has a penis under her skirt, yes?

Bisexual men would be attracted to both genders, on opposite sides of the scale. They might not feel sexually interested in a person who seemed somewhere in between the 2 genders.

Some transpeople I know have given up on IDing someone by their genitalia. Gender is in the head. They might say, "I like femmes," or "I like butches," and not care whether the femme has a vagina, or the butch a penis.

Just random thoughts.
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I agree with all that, Magdlyn. I'm just saying that I haven't met anyone who wants to fuck EVERYONE of a certain gender-assignment or lack thereof. Unless - and this is going out on a limb - there is a fetish. Do we know anyone who has a "fetish" for males or females? Well, even if we DO, I refuse to subscribe that the word "bisexual" implies that someone has a "fetish for males and females".

I venture to say (that is, I have no proof or experiences to back this up, so will the oppression-and-marginalization police please go easy on me this time?) that if someone were attracted to/interested in a person who is trans-gendered, and then they become disinterested because that person is pre-op or living a double life, that there are other factors at work of which speculation is beyond the scope of this thread. Issues including but not limited to: self-loathing, social programming, life-goals and expectations, and so on.

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If a self-proclaimed bisexual woman, is attracted to males who cross dress, but not 'transgendered' people, does that render a changing of the label ? Or not ?

So back to this question, I would have to say "no", if only for the fact that there are far fewer "trans" gendered people than there are "non-trans" gendered people. Statistically, if a given bisexual person met enough TG people, they would eventually be attracted to one. Of course, I have no personal experience to draw on. I consider myself "bisexual", and I have been attracted to trans-gendered individuals at some point in my life. That does not make me feel compelled to say that I am "pansexual".

Once again, I think it is much ado about nothing.

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Old 08-24-2010, 12:12 PM
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I agree with all that, Magdlyn. I'm just saying that I haven't met anyone who wants to fuck EVERYONE of a certain gender-assignment or lack thereof.
Ha. Seems I've met some men who will fuck anything w a vagina.

Being pansexual, however, does not mean I will fuck any cis-gendered man, woman, transperson, genderqueer, genderfucked, transvestite/cross-dresser, or intersexed person I meet or see on a page or screen. It means I might be sexually interested in them, no matter the gender they ID as.
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Old 08-24-2010, 12:13 PM
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Ha. Seems I've met some men who will fuck anything w a vagina.
That doesn't necessarily mean they are ATTRACTED to anything with a vagina. It just means they ran out of clean socks.

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Being pansexual, however, does not mean I will fuck any cis-gendered man, woman, transperson, genderqueer, genderfucked, transvestite/cross-dresser, or intersexed person I meet or see on a page or screen. It means I might be sexually interested in them, no matter the gender they ID as.

That is my point.

But i think I see why some people find the need for the word "pan" now. It's because they want to convey an unlimited possibility of genders. What's wrong with the term "omni", then?

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Old 08-24-2010, 12:15 PM
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"Will fuck for sox." ???
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