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Old 06-26-2010, 06:33 PM
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Default Love all emotionally not physically - get away from mental intrigue

in response to HUSH's original messgae:

I used to be addicted to porn, until I read this book, and applied it to my life. OPEN TO BLISS by Omid mankoo. his blog http://sagehope.wordpress.com
With no exaggeration, it explained sexual attraction and sexual addiction, and showed how mymind works and how to set myself free.

So the knowledge I am sharing with you is based on knowing and experiencing. Now I simply cannot be seduced.

Your husband was tantalized by porn. his thouhts of you being with other men, mentally tantalized him. He might have had and continue to have sexual relationships with others, though you do not know about it. even though you may swear that he deos not. the fact of the matter is that you do not know for sure. all those years of being away he might have gotten involved with many sexual situations. and maybe not. however the case remains that he was mentally tantalized. this tantalization is a symptom of intigue, a mind intrigue. the mind is intrigue by unusualness of situations, persons, love and sex, etc.

People mistake this unusual rushing feeling, and mental intrigue for love and sexual excitement. however sexual excitement need not be always accompanied by the mental intigue that we so often mistakenly attribute to sexual excitement. this is true of love also. the mental intrigue we first feel when we are in love or close to possibly being in love is tantalizing to the brain. it is ususally there, becausae we are young when we feel these things, and things are new to us.

The natural relating of man and woman to get to honestly know each other, to honestly know of each other's feelings, and to grow genuinely close together and to love each other and then to express that genuine love by every means possible even by means of sex, is truly pheniomeal, it far superceeds the excitement that we mistakenly attribute to feeling alive and aware. however it is true that we are very much alive and aware when we are interacting with someone new, or someone whom we should not be interacting with, because it mentally intrigues us. this is a mind trick.

truthfully we ought to be live and aware at every moment of our lives, even in marriage. sadly people lose this awareness, and look at marriage as just another day, and so it becomes the norm, and loses its excitement that we so mistakenly attribute to attraction.

So it was your husband's liek of tantalizatuion which allowed for you to have some of what he cmistakenly considered bwing alove and living with excitement. in a way he was being generous to you. however he was mistaken. as far as love: one can love whomever that one open's one's mind and heart to. it is a matter of willingness.

try to clear up your confusion by understanding this love of all concept. as you know already the reason why people stick to one partner is multifold, one reason being deseases. So have that in mind.
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Old 06-26-2010, 06:55 PM
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Old 06-26-2010, 07:02 PM
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Old 06-27-2010, 03:41 PM
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Hush, it sounds like you've gotten into an awful predicament. A lot of people on here realized we were poly because of situations we've gotten ourselves into, many of which involved cheating. I cheated emotionally in every mono romantic relationship I was in, and even sexually a few times (confessions and tears and yelling and all). Then I learned about poly, got some hard knocks, and eventually straightened myself out, and I won't ever put myself in a position where I'd consider cheating again.

You do all need to talk, a lot, and hopefully do some reading as well. The Ethical Slut is a book I'd recommend highly, and there's an entire thread of reading recommendations on this site... somewhere.

Some things I'd ask your husband, if I were in your shoes:
  • Is he still serious about being comfortable with you having sex with other men? (Other women?) Are there specific acts or details he'd be uncomfortable with (oral, sex in the home you share, kink, etc.)?
  • Does he understand how you relate sex and love in your head? (Do you understand yourself in this way, enough to talk about it?) Is he comfortable with you having sex if love is involved?
  • Is he comfortable with you having loving sex with the man you've cheated on him with? Is he fully aware that the two of you haven't stopped seeing each other? (Yes, I'd say you do need to ask outright. It's your call, of course.)
  • Has he considered how his permission for you to have sex might be part of his addiction to porn? Is he comfortable with the ways the two issues may be tangled? (Are you?)
  • Is this permission only for when he's traveling? (What are your thoughts on that?)

It sounds like you and your boyfriend (if you feel comfortable with the label, Hush, I'm willing to use it as well) have already done a fair amount of talking in terms of expectations, but all on the assumption that what you're doing is illicit. If it becomes open, how does that change his expectations, and yours? If he's a 'secondary' or even 'primary' for you, does that mean he won't walk away if he finds someone else? Will he want to move in with you? Would he expect to see you more/less/differently in a hypothetical new arrangement?

What kind of interactions are you all expecting your husband and your boyfriend to have? If one person is picturing them never meeting, and one person wants a coffee date and then minimal contact afterwards, and the third person wants to cohabit, then you're in trouble!

@RP: Slow it down. I know cheating is an issue you respond to really strongly, and I understand that, but I suspect Hush feels guilty enough as it is-- without your words. She says she's here because she wants to work on things, so let's get more information from her and offer advice, not just tear her down.

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Old 06-28-2010, 06:09 AM
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[*]Has he considered how his permission for you to have sex might be part of his addiction to porn? Is he comfortable with the ways the two issues may be tangled? (Are you?)
This is where I am struggling with all this and why I was thinking it sounded more normalized than perhaps is the usual. I think that Andrew really hit the nail on the head for me also in that perhaps you husband has had his fair share of affairs himself... maybe this is why for him it means little to nothing to say that he would be fine with you sleeping with other men. Perhaps it eases his own guilt. Perhaps he is so unattached to sex that it means absolutely nothing to him for you to have other men to have sex with. In fact I can totally see how his fantasizing about it might be more of a turn on than actually watching it if he is addicted to porn.

@Andrewwright- I liked your post. I didn't quite get it, but will check the link. Definitely food for thought.

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@RP: Slow it down. I know cheating is an issue you respond to really strongly, and I understand that, but I suspect Hush feels guilty enough as it is-- without your words. She says she's here because she wants to work on things, so let's get more information from her and offer advice, not just tear her down.
I agree, I was triggered with the "boyfriend" thing. It just kind of bugs when I work my ass off to have a boyfriend that is legit and Hush has one that is the result of cheating and affair. BUGS! sorry hush, it just does to me. *whine*

slowing down, having patience. bit of a tender spot for me right now and nothing to do with this thread....

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"You don't call him your boyfriend, you don't act all surprised that he has an emotional reaction to that and you say your good byes to your other man just incase its done or you don't see him for a very long time. You also say goodbye to what you have known, because it will all change from here.

Elaborate please?"

When I cheated on a boyfriend I was alarmed that he was emotional about it. I knew he'd be mad but he was devastated and I was genuinely surprised as I knew we weren't all that together in our relationship and hadn't been for awhile. I wish I had said good bye to the guy I had cheated with as it was impossible to create a good occasion to after I confessed. My world changed entirely and the moment we had had together was lost for ever. I didn't know that would happen.

I saw it as an entirely different thing when my boyfriend found out. It's impossible not to when you think you are going from one to the other with such ease and grace (even though you heart is in your throat every second of the day) and then the whole thing is ripped out from underneath you and you fall on your ass and really, no one is all that keen to pick you up again.

I am hoping that by giving you this info that you will realize what is possibly about to happen in your confessing.... I don't think it would be to your advantage to give you a sugar coated version..... maybe your husband has cheated too, maybe it hasn't all been that awesome in your marriage, maybe this will mean nothing and you will go about your merry way after you confess and this will be all for naught, but to me, from experience, there has never been any moment where it has been a good idea to make things better by cheating. Sure, it means you got some feel good moments of happiness, but they were a lie. Built on a lie.

I encourage you to find those feel good moments based on truth and pure integrity. I can tell you, there is nothing more elating than being completely up front, working through the shit storm that one causes and coming out the other side a free woman... I for one will never look back. Not for a million years. Honesty and openness have saved my heart and made me more happy than I thought imaginable. I sincerely wish for you that you give it a try and get to the bottom of your confusion. Not what you think might be it, but really what it is that is confusing and holding you back, so that you can also have a chance at being purely happy.

I don't know how you will do that, but keep talking. It will work out.
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Old 06-28-2010, 01:34 PM
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