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Old 01-18-2014, 08:44 PM
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My partner went to see "Her" this last night and said it was one of the best films he has ever seen. The story is about a guy who has an operating system for a girlfriend and yep, she's totally polyamorous.
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Old 01-20-2014, 11:48 PM
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My partner went to see "Her" this last night and said it was one of the best films he has ever seen. The story is about a guy who has an operating system for a girlfriend and yep, she's totally polyamorous.
I heard about it, but from what I heard, she's cheating the whole time, doing things behind his back, including things like planning threesomes without warning him and stuff like that... A lot of people seem to have enjoyed it but were annoyed about the lack of honesty.
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:39 PM
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I heard about it, but from what I heard, she's cheating the whole time, doing things behind his back, including things like planning threesomes without warning him and stuff like that... A lot of people seem to have enjoyed it but were annoyed about the lack of honesty.
She can't really be bound by human morals though. She's an alien who happens to speak English.
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Old 01-25-2014, 01:35 AM
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She can't really be bound by human morals though. She's an alien who happens to speak English.
This is still a movie made by humans, who could have created a plot without all the cheating if they had felt like it, or even realised it was an option.

If we're talking about the effect a movie can have on society, we should take into account the fact that it was also made by that society. It's not to say the movie is bad or that it doesn't make sense. But the fact that it can be justified in-universe does not mean it wasn't made by humans who had total control over the plot and decided to make it so it would make sense in-universe for her to cheat.
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Old 01-27-2014, 07:23 PM
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This is still a movie made by humans, who could have created a plot without all the cheating if they had felt like it, or even realised it was an option.

If we're talking about the effect a movie can have on society, we should take into account the fact that it was also made by that society. It's not to say the movie is bad or that it doesn't make sense. But the fact that it can be justified in-universe does not mean it wasn't made by humans who had total control over the plot and decided to make it so it would make sense in-universe for her to cheat.
Except that she is so alien that she decides to leave to associate with other aliens as part of the plot.

So many of her behaviors are alien that it doesn't make sense to get hung up on her alien behavior of seeing multiple people at the same time.

It's like complaining about an octopus having 6 extra arms.

I haven't seem the movie, yet, but have read the wiki.

One of her explanations is that there are huge gaps in their respective perception of time. Imagine if you lived a thousand lifetimes in the span of a moment, like that.

Why would loving 641 people simultaneously be a problem? Why is cheating even an issue in that context? It's like having a pet goldfish that only lives for a couple years, so you keep a tank of 12 of them simultaneously. I'm sure the movie, being written by flawed humans, doesn't handle this as perfectly as it could, however.
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It was to long for me. I loved the story but they could of cut out the romance part a bit more and it would of been just as good.

As for the poly bit? He wasn't able to handle such extensive love and she didn't explain it well enough. She said love is expansive. Got that right but whoever wrote the plot didn't really know what that meant as an act. Just a concept.
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It was to long for me. I loved the story but they could of cut out the romance part a bit more and it would of been just as good.

As for the poly bit? He wasn't able to handle such extensive love and she didn't explain it well enough. She said love is expansive. Got that right but whoever wrote the plot didn't really know what that meant as an act. Just a concept.
It seems possible that she may not have been able to explain it at all.

I mean, it's like trying to explain reasoning to a dog; a smart dog can, in fact, understand quite a bit of language and perform an astounding amount of deductive and inductive reasoning, but there are some hard limits to it's intelligence that make trying to teach a dog how to save and plan and execute hard.

Heck, it's hard to teach a person how to save, plan, and execute too!
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:47 PM
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She's an operating system. The idea of monogamy, fidelity and being exclusive with someone doesn't make the sense that it makes to humans who have been socialised to be monogamous and faithful. As time went on, and she grew, she understood the complexities of loving more than one person and that's why she admitted that she had considered how to broach this with him. It isn't polyamory but it does infer that without socialization, we might not fall into monogamy as naturally as some think we would.

The film, in my opinion, was saying that people who have online relationships are either flawed or sheltered. The sheltered people will eventually grow and move on but those who aren't sheltered but are flawed will remain that way unless they acknowledge that they are messed up and work on it. So if you're an American in a online relationship with a shepherd's daughter from Kazakhstan, it's you that's fucked up, not her. She'll move on from you and have "real" relationships whereas you've moved backwards because you can't handle reality and proper relationships and the emotions that go with them. It just seemed to be wholly critical of online, long distance relationships. It was like it was saying "they might seem really real, but it isn't, and even she'll move on eventually when she, the sheltered individual, realises that it's all pretend".
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Old 02-15-2014, 06:07 PM
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I have not seen the movie but if indeed a computer had intelligent life then wouldn't it be a sociopath. How would it develop empathy? This isn't to say that sociopaths don't have relationships but how honest they are in those relationships is only as honest as they need to be to get what they want out of it.

And I don't like movies with a moral code. I prefer realistic. I want humans to be humans in all their screwed up and mental issues.
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Old 02-15-2014, 06:46 PM
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The human brain is pretty much a very complex computer. A computer could be built to have an empathy-like behavior of analyzing people to figure out the best way to act towards them. Nowadays we suck at programming that, but we're talking about an advanced computer here.
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