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Old 12-16-2013, 01:53 AM
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Awww, but you wouldn't be involved in such pseudo-research, isn't that right? [just nod and say yes]

So what inspired researchers to initiate this study? Did someone ask, "I wish we could develop a pill that would get men to be monogamous?" Just curious.

In any case, the study definitely failed to mention the possibility that a man (or woman) could pair-bond with more than one partner. (Of course I, too, am just working off the abstract ...)

Regarding the second study, it sounds like the research reaches farther but still works from a group of monogamous men. To determine whether oxytocin promotes pair-bonding only with one partner, we'd need to conduct a study using both monogamous and non-monogamous men (and women?).

I guess the second study does show that oxytocin discourages men from looking for new partners. But it doesn't say whether they could already have multiple (long-term) partners (prior to the influx of extra oxytocin). Sounds like my impression of the first study: The question on everyone's mind seems to be, "Can a pill be invented that would get men to stay monogamous?"

As it stands, a lot of non-monogamous men are out there. Would they even want, or be willing, to take an oxytocin-boosting pill to "cure" that? It's almost like asking, what if a medicine were invented that would cure men of homosexuality? I suppose it would be a powerful tool in the hands of the Church ...
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Old 12-16-2013, 01:56 AM
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I'm nodding. LOL. I'm on the academic end. Just educating the next generation of malfeasant pseudoscientists...;-)
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Old 12-16-2013, 02:04 AM
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Old 12-16-2013, 02:31 AM
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Oh, thank you. This was a well-timed giggle. Now back to our regularly scheduled broadcast...
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Old 12-16-2013, 02:43 AM
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Poly isn't mainstream. It's not even on the radar of the scientists because they won't get funding for that kind of research.

There is a politics game to play that has to cater to the mainstream political fabric or it won't get funded.

I understand you want to promote your own POV, but that has to be congruent with the mainstream to get traction.

Ie, Poly can reduce the welfare state, or national security, or federal income, or save the children, until you can convince people it is as normal as GLBT or interracial marriage.

However, I'm not sure how you can do that. Maybe a second sexual revolution has to occur:
1) Unlimited birth control (good luck with that!)
2) Sex isn't cheating. Love isn't cheating. Breaking your commitments and promises is cheating.
3) Don't promise to be faithful in marriage.
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Old 12-16-2013, 03:49 AM
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Meh, not that engaged in what scientists are working on. Just keeping an eye on it. And yes, it's all about funding, unfortunately, and no, poly isn't mainstream; I'm well aware.

I'll note that I didn't keep my marital vows, in that I eventually proposed to change the rules. Going back to the day of the wedding, I made the vows it didn't occur to me that I'd ever want to abandon (let alone that I'd ever want to leave the church). Between 1995 and 2005 I found my world tipped upside down and shaken out. Still cleaning up that mess.

Nothing is simple, much less anything about poly. But I did find my own stash of unlimited birth control: a vasectomy.

But, that's me. I'm not about to engage on a quest to get the whole world to take up my cross. Participating on a poly board seems to be an adequate substitute for that, AFAIAC.

But yeah, someday they'll do more poly-inclusive research, I'm happy to believe and say. Probably not while I'm alive, but.
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... and @ Dana ... you're welcome, carry on.
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The distance study didn't account for people who do not socialise in a typical way. It would be interesting yo see the results for poly people in closed relationships. And as Kevin said, what was their aim?
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The distance study didn't account for people who do not socialise in a typical way. It would be interesting yo see the results for poly people in closed relationships. And as Kevin said, what was their aim?
Their aim was to get published. The great thing about science is that it is public, reviewed, iterative, and available for others to criticize and adopt.
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Old 12-16-2013, 05:17 PM
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The aim of a study is what it is trying to find out and why. If people are conducting studies like this because they believe monogamy is the right and best thing to do and they want to devise ways of promoting and enforcing monogamy, it invalidates the credibility of their research. Ie turns it into a crock of shite.
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