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Old 07-01-2009, 04:32 AM
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I'm pretty new to this forum having just discovered it, but I'd like to repost a discussion I posted in another forum to get some other perspectives.

I came into discovering my poly nature as a single person completely on my own. I've been open to having poly relationships, but as a single person, it seems that most to all of the poly relationships I've had involve me being a secondary to an already existing primary relationship. As I've said in some other threads, sometimes it can make me feel no less single than if I had no relationships. And also, as I was exploring the poly world I found that the VAST majority of the literature is aimed at couples who want to open up their relationship. There's very little out there for single people, and most of it is reduced to either a chapter in a larger book for couples or as a footnote. It seems almost everywhere I look for relationships and/or advice, I'm surrounded by couples who have other relationships branching from that primary one.

Do people find the world of poly to be a bit of a harsh environment for single people? It's almost like trying to jump into a jump-rope game that's already going really fast where everyone on the inside is singing their jump-rope song and enjoying a great rhythm. It's flowing great on the inside and next to impossible to join.

So are there poly single people out there? What are your experiences?

Thoughts? Feelings?
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Old 07-01-2009, 02:33 PM
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Hello Ceoli...I get your frustration. I would guess that most poly situations mostly arise out of couples who feel somehow incomplete in their primary relationship and want to open up their hearts and minds to new experiences. Singles, on the other hand, are free to sleep around and have multiple relationships all the time. There are no concrete ties to anyone. To many poly people, having many lovers vs. many loves are two completely different things. I would think you must first have one deep love in your life. One committment, therefore you are a couple, first. After that, may come the true poly aspect of your life. As a single, it is probably very difficult to meet up first with another like minded single and head right off into polyamory. Again, if you're single, it's looked at as just hooking up. I applaud that you are single and already know how you are and how you want to live your life, that is if you are really talking poly and not just being in an open relationship. They are two very different things. Good luck in your search.
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:56 PM
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i on the other hand think you are an awesome person and should keep trying, there needs to be more single poly's because with out a single poly there is no way for us couples who want to equally share our love with someone to do that. That sucks about you feeling secondary, i don't believe in heirarchy myself i like things to be equal and full of love
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Old 07-03-2009, 07:01 AM
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Singles, on the other hand, are free to sleep around and have multiple relationships all the time. There are no concrete ties to anyone. To many poly people, having many lovers vs. many loves are two completely different things.

Thank you very much for a thoughtful reply, but I still have some issues here. Why is it assumed that I as a single person would be seeking relationships to sleep around? Why is it assumed that I am only looking for lovers and not loves?

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I would think you must first have one deep love in your life. One committment, therefore you are a couple, first. After that, may come the true poly aspect of your life.
So basically you're saying that in order to be poly, I have to first be monogamous? This doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps if what you want is a primary relationship with secondary partners, this might work, but my point is that this model then starts regarding single people as accessories to a primary relationship.

My frustration has more to do with many poly communities that are couple-centric and have only limited roles for single people, and these communities tending to assume that single people are either "just sleeping around", "not really commitment minded" or not really poly. It has seriously surprised me to see such closed-mindedness in these communities.

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I applaud that you are single and already know how you are and how you want to live your life, that is if you are really talking poly and not just being in an open relationship.
I know that many people have many different definitions of what it means to be poly, so I'm not sure how you're differentiating "really talking poly" vs. "just being in an open relationship". The earlier model you suggested where one should bond with a primary partner, then open up seems to fit the "open relationship" definition for me, since the primary relationship remains primary.

Also, I don't regard any one model as superior or inferior to any other, since different models suit different people. But I have to say that in many of the communities I've encountered, many couples tend to have a sense of entitlement about how they bring outside people into "their" relationship. And that tends to keep the single people who may get involved at an inherent disadvantage.
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Old 07-03-2009, 07:12 AM
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i on the other hand think you are an awesome person and should keep trying, there needs to be more single poly's because with out a single poly there is no way for us couples who want to equally share our love with someone to do that. That sucks about you feeling secondary, i don't believe in heirarchy myself i like things to be equal and full of love
Thanks for the compliment

But I have to say, this kind of illustrates the issue that single people have. Is the only role for a single person in poly communities to be an add-on for couples who want to share? That dynamic in itself creates unequal ground, even with the best of intentions on the part of a couple. Individual relationships develop on their own, not with a mandate that one must love both members of a couple equally...that's a pretty tall order to put on a potential partner. Also, why must the potential third be single? Wouldn't a poly person who may already have another partner or partners also be just as available?

I acknowledge that it works out nicely for some people, but for many others it doesn't.

Like I said before, it's easy for single bi poly girls to feel like accessories to couples. I'm looking for people to love, not package deals.

I'm sorry if I'm sounding a bit harsh, because I do realize you posted that with the best of intentions, but I guess I need to voice these issues.
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Old 07-03-2009, 01:45 PM
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Ceoli, there are limitless possibilities of combinations out there in this poly world. I didn't mean for my definition to be yours. Sorry if it offended. You asked for advice and input, that is what I have from my side of it.

It just seems to me that before you can love or determine that you love multiple people, you must love at least one. There has to be a starting point somewhere and unless you're sleeping around with multiple partners, there wouldn't be any opportunity for you to have multiple loves at the same time. And, having multiple loves vs. multiple lovers, is not the same thing.

I can certainly empathize with you and your plight. Being single and being poly is probably very tough. However, you seem motivated and genuine in your search. I'm sure you'll stumble into a situation that works for you at some point. Just keep looking. Don't give up. Good luck!
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Old 07-03-2009, 02:14 PM
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It just seems to me that before you can love or determine that you love multiple people, you must love at least one. There has to be a starting point somewhere and unless you're sleeping around with multiple partners, there wouldn't be any opportunity for you to have multiple loves at the same time. And, having multiple loves vs. multiple lovers, is not the same thing.
I wasn't offended as much as just trying to raise questions about those general perceptions that I see in the community and the general couple-centric views.

I guess what I'm trying to say that as a person who has had multiple partners on a secondary basis, that does not mean that I'm just sleeping around and I know that this is the case for many poly single people. I have loved my partners deeply, yet have not had access to the benefits of a primary relationship. But many people in the poly community are quick to put the kind of love I have on a lower level than their couple units. Just because I don't have that primary relationship does not mean that I don't experience deep love or know how to love deeply.

And yes, I would like to have some form of partnership that involves cohabitation and building a family, and I guess the frustration stems from the fact that the very community in which I should be able to find such a partner seems to only let you in if you already have such a partner. There is a definite view that single people are not available for deep, loving partnerships but more available to just have "lovers". I think that perception is generally unfair.

I don't think it's necessary to already be partnered to be able to love multiple people deeply. And I find it ironic that many poly communities profess this idea that people can love in many different ways, yet seem to dismiss this ability to love deeply if the person is not partnered already.

I do appreciate your thoughts, so thank you for that. But I am a debater at heart and I guess these are issues I feel pretty strongly about. I'm not only posting this to sort out my own feelings, but to also give voice to what I see as a pervading problem in many poly communities.

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Old 07-03-2009, 06:44 PM
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Ceoli, I would never begin to put the love you've had on a lower level. I'm not going that way. I know there are many secondaries (yes I hate that term) that have probably evolved over time to become equal partners in life and love with the couple they have joined, and therefore would no longer be called secondary. That obviously takes a special set of people and circumstances for that to happen, but it is the goal many of us in poly relationships strive for.

I am working hard in my own poly life to integrate our secondary (my other life love as mono would say) into our "V" as an equal member in every way, but as you can imagine with a spouse of 27 years it's difficult. She has to want to relinquish sole possession of 1st place and that's very difficult with a mono person after 27 years of marriage. Cohabitation seems to be the easy part in this....and all our kids are grown and out of the house so that's another hurdle crossed......affection/caring is not an issue for all 3 of us.......but my wife still struggles with the nights alone in our bed while I am with my other love. We are 3 long time 20+ year friends with mutual interests and desires. I venture to say that if we can't make this work at this most opportune time in our lives then I say it is impossible for anyone to pull it off. The perfect scenerio you and I so desire, may in fact, be one of those elusive unicorns that people on this board mention others constantly chasing. We'll see.
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Old 07-03-2009, 07:01 PM
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We are 3 long time 20+ year friends with mutual interests and desires. I venture to say that if we can't make this work at this most opportune time in our lives then I say it is impossible for anyone to pull it off. The perfect scenerio you and I so desire, may in fact, be one of those elusive unicorns that people on this board mention others constantly chasing. We'll see.
Mark, there is a purity in your aproach to polyamory that tells me it is possible. I think if any one can do it, you'll be leading the way
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Old 07-03-2009, 07:23 PM
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Thanks for the kind words and support, Mono. As you know it takes all 3 hearts pulling in the same direction toward the ultimate goal. Right now we're about 2 1/2.....here's hoping we get the last little piece on board.
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