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Old 10-12-2013, 04:53 PM
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You just completely contradicted yourself right there.~

How are we or any one to decide what is sexual?~

Some people would say the mere act of you breastfeeding is sexual because you "must" feel pleasure from it.~

You see how our own perceptions of some thing regardless of how it actually is can twist our own view of some thing?~ Especially when we just assume things without even bothering to ask how it is really is.~
The only pleasure I get from breastfeeding is knowing Im nourishing my baby the way nature intended. Do people think women get sexual pleasure from breastfeeding? Ive never heard of that before.

Me breastfeeding in public is a federally protected act. You taking your dick out of your pants at the park and rubbing it, is not I guess that's the difference.
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Me breastfeeding in public is a federally protected act.
Unfortunately it is not every where, but we are still fighting for that!~ ^_^

Walking around as one was born is not in and of itself a sexual act.~

My existence simply being here is not a sexual act.~

Just as your breasts are not a sexual act just by existing.~

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Well, then, nudity isn't just for nudist camps, is it?
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I have no issue with nudity, but there is a time and place for it. I caught a few episodes of Naked and Afraid while in the States, and it started seeming normal after a certain point. I used to enjoy being naked inside and at my home. However, I do not want to see random folks in their birthday suits. My face would be like The only balls I want to see in a public place are tennis, golf, basketball, football (soccer), the balls used for footy and American football, foods that contain ball shaped things, and such. Other than that, I am good. CW, you are right. Being naked and showing parts is not sexual in itself.

As far as breastfeeding and deriving pleasure from it...there are women who do achieve orgasms and become aroused. It is not intentional or a feeling they seek. It just happens. For some women, the feeling of a child nursing is relaxing enough to induce orgasms, and/or it just happens on its own. I am sure a search would yield many nursing mums confessing to it happening. Oxytocin is released during nursing, and it is a trigger for orgasms. They are not the same as an orgasm achieved during penetration or sexual activity. Hence why there are women who have orgasms simply when their nipples are touched or when an erogenous spot is stimulated. Society makes women feel dirty and like it is something taboo when it happens during breastfeeding. So often, they will stop nursing their children.

People and their over sexualised mentalities are seemingly trying to ruin a perfectly natural and normal thing that has benefits for the baby and the mum. For the baby, it is much healthier and an excellent way to bond and establish closeness. For the mum, there are health benefits. Extended nursing is said to decrease the risk of breast cancer, and studies have also found that there is an increased protection of sorts for nursing mums against uterine, cervical, and ovarian cancers. For those reasons alone, it should not matter if a mother nurses in public.
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Put it this way, I stay clothed as a public service.

I see what you are saying about breastfeeding; luckily for me I don't have an issue with whether or not it's sexually stimulating to the woman. It's nature's way of caring for wee ones and as such, I have no argument with it no matter where it is done (public or private).
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However, I do not want to see random folks in their birthday suits.
Do we allow what many find as the most hideous, ugly, and repulsive of people to show their faces legally in public?~

Yes.~

Then the policy would be the same if it were legal to be as you were born walking down the street: you don't like what you see, if no one is being hurt, then don't look.~

For some people to say that they are being 'hurt' by LOOKING at some one else (who is simply standing there) says more about THEM and their mental status rather than the person who is just there.~

As to the rest of your post, thank you very much for sharing that!~ ^_^

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Well, then, nudity isn't just for nudist camps, is it?
The concept of 'nudity' is a false concept, many societies try to convince us that 'being' clothed' is 'natural' and that 'being without clothes is an unnatural thing to be that you should feel horrible for EVER doing': so logically we should HATE ourselves every time we take a shower, use a toilet, have sex, or even change clothes.~ Our mere EXISTENCE is a HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE THING!~<--I don't think so.~ -.-

Being as we ARE NATURALLY AS WE WERE BORN IS NOT AN 'ACT' in and of itself, we are not 'naked', we simply being ourselves.~

When I 'put on clothes' and when I 'take off clothes', I am DOING SOME THING, this IS an 'act', but simply 'being without clothes' is NOT an 'act': it is simply a state of 'being', I am 'being as I was BORN', I am being 'me'.~ ^_^
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"Do we allow what many find as the most hideous, ugly, and repulsive of people to show their faces legally in public?"
Unless it's the Phantom of the Opera.

Lots of nude statues out there and no one seems to mind ...

Keep in mind that obesity isn't normally the natural state of the human body. We certainly weren't born that way. Major problem in the United States, and to some extent in other first-world countries. Our appetites and metabolisms evolved to serve us in times of considerably less plenty.

I don't "hate myself for being fat," but I don't exactly revel in it either. My clothes protect the public. They protect me too, when I'm out in public.

If you are in shape, then I envy you. You live in a clothing-optional world in a way that some of us feel we do not.

I guess the bottom line is that while I think most overweight persons (such as myself) would feel way to embarrassed about undressing anywhere (even in a nude colony), I can't argue with their theoretical right to do so. I say theoretical because in practice, it's not legal to undress just anywhere (no matter how athletic your bod); not right now. We have this thing called "indecent exposure."

Yes, I am free to refrain from looking if the person I see makes me shudder (because they look too much like myself). Lots of other things to look at. As long as they're not hurting me.

Course we still haven't tackled the question of whether sex in public is okay. Well: sex is just as natural as nudity, isn't it? and the people having sex aren't hurting me, are they? So I'm not sure the two issues are entirely separate.

Look, maybe nudity isn't about "ugliness" (especially since some nude folks would be pretty cool to behold); it's about what's suitable to expose children to and at what age.

Does that in turn relate to how young a child could appropriately be when he/she first has sex described to him/her? Don't be too quick to cry "hijack;" I'm not 100% sure it's off-topic.

My mom was known to practice some nudity in my childhood home. I gotta tell ya, that's not one of my happier memories. Bad visual!

On the other hand, my younger brother once wandered too near the door to the master bedroom when my folks were going at it. He heard some exclamations from my father that were hard to misinterpret. Permanent damage!

Then there was the time that my oldest brother's first wife decided to try water-skiing with nothing but her garments on. Bad wet T-shirt contest. I'm pretty sure everyone on the boat was permanently traumatized. Don't worry though, she viewed herself as nothing less than a ravishing sex goddess.

Perhaps there's a difference between freedom and decency? I'm free to join a KKK group, but it's not a very nice thing to do. So what behaviors improve the human environment? and what about the kids?

You can't always say that "the natural thing to do" is the best, wisest, or most loving (e.g. self-loving) thing to do. Most people cut their fingernails -- which contradicts Nature's "plans" for those fingernails. Are nail clippers a self-hating invention? I'm sure most of us have seen pictures of what life looks like without nail clippers. A few people prefer their nails that way, and well, I guess all the more power to them.

Is it natural to take a shower? to use soap? deodorant? By doing these things, are we exercising hatred for our natural bodies? By not doing these things, are we hurting anyone? What about make-up, and jewelry? Could clothing be compared to jewelry?

Teaching each other to be ashamed of our nude selves per se seems to be a problem, although "shame" rather than "hate" still seems to me to be the more proportionately-accurate word. But I don't know how to solve all these other complicated problems.
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"Course we still haven't tackled the question of whether sex in public is okay. Well: sex is just as natural as nudity, isn't it? and the people having sex aren't hurting me, are they? So I'm not sure the two issues are entirely separate."


I agree that sex is also a natural activity YES EVEN SAME SEX SEXUAL RELATIONS IS NATURAL, don't believe me then look up dolphins, it happens in nature naturally yes.~ -.-

But being as you were born is not "doing" ANYTHING except existing, a penis or a vagina is NOT "having sex" if it is just lying there.~

The two concepts are exclusive except when they interact.~



"Look, maybe nudity isn't about "ugliness" (especially since some nude folks would be pretty cool to behold); it's about what's suitable to expose children to and at what age.

Does that in turn relate to how young a child could appropriately be when he/she first has sex described to him/her? Don't be too quick to cry "hijack;" I'm not 100% sure it's off-topic."


What is this babbling about "appropriate time exposure to sexuality" for children? According to even our own government's Department of Health and Human Services,

"(CNSNews.com) – The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is offering advice to parents and teens about sex education, including assurances that teens may “experiment” with homosexuality as part of “exploring their own sexuality,” and that masturbation should be of concern only “if a child seems preoccupied with it to the exclusion of other activities.”"

and

"The information, located on a “Questions and Answers About Sex” link on the “Quick Guide to Healthy Living” portion of the HHS Web site, also describes children and infants as “sexual beings.”

Under the question “When Do Kids Start Becoming Curious About Sex?” the answer notes that infants have curiosity about their bodies.

“Children are human beings and therefore sexual beings,” the Q&A Web page says. “It's hard for parents to acknowledge this, just as it's hard for kids to think of their parents as sexually active. But even infants have curiosity about their own bodies, which is healthy and normal.”"

See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/hhs-....3Ey7BGyq.dpuf



"My mom was known to practice some nudity in my childhood home. I gotta tell ya, that's not one of my happier memories. Bad visual!

On the other hand, my younger brother once wandered too near the door to the master bedroom when my folks were going at it. He heard some exclamations from my father that were hard to misinterpret. Permanent damage!

Then there was the time that my oldest brother's first wife decided to try water-skiing with nothing but her garments on. Bad wet T-shirt contest. I'm pretty sure everyone on the boat was permanently traumatized. Don't worry though, she viewed herself as nothing less than a ravishing sex goddess.

Perhaps there's a difference between freedom and decency? I'm free to join a KKK group, but it's not a very nice thing to do. So what behaviors improve the human environment? and what about the kids?"


I assume you are joking, because "mental damage" as a result of learning of natural processes is a result of horrible parenting and truly damaging brainwashing.~



"You can't always say that "the natural thing to do" is the best, wisest, or most loving (e.g. self-loving) thing to do. Most people cut their fingernails -- which contradicts Nature's "plans" for those fingernails. Are nail clippers a self-hating invention? I'm sure most of us have seen pictures of what life looks like without nail clippers. A few people prefer their nails that way, and well, I guess all the more power to them.

Is it natural to take a shower? to use soap? deodorant? By doing these things, are we exercising hatred for our natural bodies? By not doing these things, are we hurting anyone? What about make-up, and jewelry? Could clothing be compared to jewelry?

Teaching each other to be ashamed of our nude selves per se seems to be a problem, although "shame" rather than "hate" still seems to me to be the more proportionately-accurate word. But I don't know how to solve all these other complicated problems."


It's not about what is "most natural" at all times, but what is the most beneficial and there is far more evidence of raising children to be open-minded about natural things being far more beneficial for them and on the contrary raising them to be "traditionally ashamed of every thing natural about themselves and about other people or just every thing in general" actually has produced evidence of psychological damage and mental issues later on in life.~

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