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Old 08-20-2013, 05:44 PM
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Sexual orientation is not an inborn characteristic.

*Puts on historian hat*
That was a very interesting historical perspective. Thanks.
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Old 08-21-2013, 03:00 AM
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like someone having that inborn preference, things are most comfortable with X, doesn't mean you have to pick X, or that you can't learn to be comfortable with Y, ... but it's easiest and most comfortable with X.
I think the "inborn preference" can be a bit more than being comfortable. For example when a gay man has had a lot of exposure to women, but his penis has never gotten hard when in the company of a woman no matter what they do together. Can he choose to marry a woman and stay with her all his life even though he can't get aroused sexually with her....? Certainly. Perhaps he can use Viagra, cialis, levitra etc. But just because he makes that decision to be with her is not going to change his natural ability to respond to her sexually.

It's the eternal argument of nature verses nurture- probably some of both.
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Old 08-21-2013, 03:55 PM
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while browsing around (stumbleupon)

an interesting site pops up "10 Psychological Experiments That Went Horribly Wrong"
brainz.org/10-psychological-experiments-went-horribly-wrong/

2. Homosexual Aversion Therapy
1. David Reimer

on the list counting down, ... #2, i'm going to assume that treatments to 'cure' homosexuality would have taken into consideration that nothing done would have been life threatening, yet one person went into a coma and died from 'treatment' to associate pain with homosexuality, ... could pushing someone to go against their basic drives to such an extent actually kill someone ?

or #1, even with nature/nurture & hormone treatment to try to have someone raised and believe they were a natural born girl produced zero changes, and in turn resulted in such a personal identity crisis he/she took his own life as he couldn't reconcile the differences that only lasted a few years of his life with such long-lasting effects that carried on into adult-hood

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sure these are one-off experiments that give a hint of possibilities that will never be fully explored because of their far-reaching negative impact that can severely and permanently damage someones psyche for the rest of their life, or maybe even the experiment itself may cause such an unresolvable turmoil in the subjects mind that it may kill them.

it's not something that anyone is willing or ethically allowed to pursue as an inquiry to see what is and is not capable of changing, so we're left wondering what is going on with a few major failures of what cannot be done in some instances of research.
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:53 AM
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Although I believe serial monogamist exist, I wonder if these creatures aren't poly at heart and are following their conditioning of being taught more than one is wrong.

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Old 08-23-2013, 04:07 AM
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Although I believe serial monogamist exist, I wonder if these creatures aren't poly at heart and are following their conditioning of being taught more than one is wrong.
Serial monogamy is what most people are referring to when they say monogamy. I would say the rare and elusive creature would be the life long, single partner (as in has only had one partner ever) monogamist. I also am assuming there is never any extramarital sex, only had one partner, only kissed one person, only ever felt romantic love for one person... for their entire life.

I'm sure in some very rare circles when they say monogamy they mean "only one lover, ever" but in common usage we are actually talking about serial monogamy.
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