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Old 02-03-2010, 05:18 PM
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Default Upstate New York Chapter

Now that we've got some enthusiasm for UU and UUPA in New York, when can we get an upstate New York chapter started? Every little bit of visibility improves, sooner or later, the acceptance of polyamorous people and families in more UU congregations. You can contribute directly to UUPA's mission of providing support, promoting education, and encouraging spiritual wholeness regarding polyamory.

For info about starting a UUPA chapter, visit uupa.org
Then email me for more information. My contact info is on the site.

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Old 02-07-2010, 06:31 PM
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So Valentine's Day is coming up. Many UU churches will be focusing in some way on "Standing on the Side of Love." I can't wait for ours here.

The campaign goal is this: "Standing on the Side of Love is a public advocacy campaign that seeks to harness love’s power to stop oppression," as stated on their About page.

And the why:

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This is a time of great hope and possibility, yet our communities are threatened by the increased prevalence of acts motivated by fear and hate.


No one should be dehumanized through acts of exclusion, oppression, or violence because of their identities.

In public debates over immigration, LGBT rights, and more, religious people stand on the side of love and call for respect, inclusion, and compassion."

And the how:

"The Standing on the Side of Love campaign elevates compassionate religious voices to influence public attitudes and public policy.

Through community activism, social networking, and media outreach, people across the nation are equipped to counter fear and make love real in the world."


I definitely see the connection of this philosophy with and the usefulness it could have for the polyamorous community.



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Old 02-07-2010, 10:53 PM
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So Valentine's Day is coming up. Many UU churches will be focusing in some way on "Standing on the Side of Love."
Hmmmmmm

Wouldn't it be interesting if they or someone wouldn't just come out and "Stand on the Side of Love" for love's sake - with no agenda attached.
Oppression and all the other valuable social causes would be unnecessary.
Interesting..........
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Old 02-07-2010, 11:21 PM
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Hmmmmmm

Wouldn't it be interesting if they or someone wouldn't just come out and "Stand on the Side of Love" for love's sake - with no agenda attached.
Oppression and all the other valuable social causes would be unnecessary.
Interesting..........
Yep. Wouldn't that be nice?

Unfortunately that's not the case, yet people still seem to think that there's a problem with having an "agenda" of inclusion and dismantling of such oppressions that exist. Reality is what it is.

Wouldn't it be interesting if someone could speak out for such "agendas" of equality and inclusion without others belittling such causes as un-evolved?
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Old 02-12-2010, 02:12 PM
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Yep. Wouldn't that be nice?

Unfortunately that's not the case, yet people still seem to think that there's a problem with having an "agenda" of inclusion and dismantling of such oppressions that exist. Reality is what it is.

Wouldn't it be interesting if someone could speak out for such "agendas" of equality and inclusion without others belittling such causes as un-evolved?
Yea Ceoli- looking back, that statement might have come off wrong.
I still have this habit of just letting thoughts flow off my tongue without a lot of forethought about how those with different sensibilities might read them.
I sincerely do cry out for a world where people's sexual preference, gender, race, social status etc were all non-issues as we all navigate life together. And as you say - that ISN"T now
But I've lived in such a world, albeit for a short time (and no-not just in my mind lol) and I guess I still harbor that fantasy that EVERYONE is capable of seeing the benefits and moving in that direction.
But that seems a fantasy too.

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Old 02-13-2010, 06:06 PM
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Thanks for that GS.

It can get a bit exhausting in a climate where choosing to speak out for such things is regarded as tiresome and annoying by others. I've experienced that sentiment on this forum.
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Old 02-14-2010, 05:42 PM
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Thanks for that GS.

It can get a bit exhausting in a climate where choosing to speak out for such things is regarded as tiresome and annoying by others. I've experienced that sentiment on this forum.
Yes Ceoli,

Not to sidetrack the thread, but that is always a tricky balance.
I think any of us who have developed a passion for a particular cause have experienced that.
It's one of those skills you try to master in successful activism. There's an early phase when general public awareness doesn't exist and you have to make a lot of 'noise' to get the word out. But once past that phase - and detecting that point really is tricky - then you pass into a phase where a soft, casual reference is more than sufficient as a reminder. At that stage, more than that does/can become tiring or annoying as you said. It's like the big war drums continuing to beat long after the battle has begun. It can become more distracting than beneficial. The drums are intended to strike fear into the heart of the enemy. Once the battle has begun, you need to hear who's sneaking up behind you.

Carry on......

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Old 02-14-2010, 06:01 PM
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But once past that phase - and detecting that point really is tricky - then you pass into a phase where a soft, casual reference is more than sufficient as a reminder. At that stage, more than that does/can become tiring or annoying as you said. It's like the big war drums continuing to beat long after the battle has begun. It can become more distracting than beneficial. The drums are intended to strike fear into the heart of the enemy. Once the battle has begun, you need to hear who's sneaking up behind you.
I disagree. What needs to be done and how it needs to be done is not always dictated by those who are not aware of the issues or those who may be in positions of privilege where knowledge of such issues only constitutes an annoyance, especially since there is a whole group of people who are more profoundly affected by such issues and *have* to deal with it whether others feel ready to or not.

Just my two cents there.
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Old 02-18-2010, 03:59 AM
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Some UU ministers have taken stands not to sign marriage licenses until every member of their individual congregations who is partnered can enjoy the same privileges of marriage as heterosexual couples.

I have found that a few of the UU churches I know of, including the one I went to last Sunday, spoke of the particular situation those in LGBTQ relationships face including issues of filing federal taxes. Even if their marriage is recognized on a state level, federally it is not. I spoke with a lesbian couple yesterday who described the rigmarole filing taxes turns into, including filling out a "dummy" federal form so they can give those figures on the state level even while they file another form altogether federally.

While I don't care for marriage as it currently stands as a monogamous government sanctioned institution in the U.S., I do feel heartened and inspired by the stands UU ministers and ministers of other faiths take towards encouraging equality and being the change when it comes to love.

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Old 02-18-2010, 08:06 PM
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I'm glad I found this thread! I'm UU, and leaving my church in MA was the one thing that made me really sad about moving back to WA recently, even though I was never officially a member. I didn't know there was any sort of poly presence, though it doesn't surprise me that there would be! I've been meaning to check out the local congregation but just haven't got around to it. I'm going to make it a point to go this weekend.

My wife, C, and I were honored to have our (not strictly monogamous) marriage blessed first by a retired gay Episcopal minister in an unsanctioned ceremony, and then legally bound three years later by my wonderful UU minister.

(Off topic, kinda)

Oh, and as a legally same-sex married person, don't even get me started on the tax thing. It gives me a headache just thinking about it. I'm just glad that, for better or for worse, WA doesn't have income tax. Dealing with the Feds and MA is pain enough.

And just to make your head spin, while the required legal words to get married don't actually invoke monogamy (although most religious ceremonies do and we made sure to remove the "forsaking all others" line from ours), I did have to swear that my relationship with C was monogamous in order to add her to my health insurance at work as a domestic partner!
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