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Old 07-02-2013, 04:25 PM
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Default Wife of 5 years wants to explore polyandry with man she had an affair with

Fair warning. This will be long. But it helps me to write it and for you to know most of the story.

First some backstory. My wife and I met in the mid-90’s when we were both in high school. We did not live in the same state, but we had an intense connection. Even though she was dating someone at the time, we began a long-distance relationship. This continued for many years and we each dated other people while we communicated over the phone/internet. Finally we got together during college, even though it was still long distance, we were seeing each other at least once a month, and she lived with me through the summers.

Before college, I proposed, and we set a date immediately after our graduations. We married, and moved across the country to start our married lives. We were mostly happy, with a few small problems, but one thing was bigger than the rest: our sex life was not great. That is mostly my fault. I had reasons, including a lower libido from a bad diet and no exercise. I also watched too much porn, which I lied about. My wife wanted sex all the time, and that should have been great, but for some reason it wasn’t working. She thought I found her unattractive, which damaged her self esteem. She was wrong about that, but the damage was done.

As a result our relationship suffered. I wasn’t as supportive of her as I should have been, and she was lonely. Neither of us are particularly good at making new friends, and we had moved to a place neither of us had really ever been. Suffice it to say that we fell into a rut of being more roommates than husband and wife.

Skip to the end of last year. She had been reaching out to old friends on facebook to ease her loneliness. In the process, she found an ex-boyfriend she dated briefly when she was very young, we’re talking 6th grade. She began talking to him on facebook constantly, sending him photos (innocent ones at first). All the while she insisted that they were just friends. Based on her past of starting new relationships before ending current ones, I should have seen the writing on the wall and attempted to end it right away. But I could see that she was less lonely, and so I let it continue. At some point I got too uncomfortable with it and asked her to end it, and it led to one of the first conversations that truly showed how much trouble our marriage was in.

She was unable to stop talking to him, but insisted it was just that they were really good friends and she was lonely. There wasn’t much I could do at that point but to try to improve as a husband so that she didn’t need him to fill a void in her life.

The next blow occurred several months later when she attended a wedding in the same city that her ex lived in. I had just started a new job, and had no vacation time to go with her. I had my suspicions when she returned that she had spent more time with the ex than she let on, and eventually my suspicions were founded when she told me she was going back “to get some space and find herself.” I confronted her, and eventually she admitted she was considering leaving me, and she was going back to her ex to see if he was who she truly wanted. We fought, but it was clear that I had to let her go to him, otherwise she would probably have just left me then and there. She spent three weeks with him. I won’t go into details, but she decided to come back to me with the intention of giving us another chance. This was good news, but there was a looming deadline. This fall, she would make a final decision. Our sex had improved greatly, but there has been so much damage to our relationship and trust that it has been hard to try and rebuild. The other obstacle was that she still talked to him daily, which made it more difficult to invest fully in each other.

This past week we had another discussion about our relationship. I told her that she had to stop talking to him if she was serious about saving our marriage. She said she couldn’t. She had tried, but it hurt too much. She was also afraid of losing him, in case we couldn’t salvage our marriage. It was then that she brought up the subject of polyandry. She had mentioned it before, but both he and I had laughed it off as insane. We discussed it, and she begged me to try it, just for a week. We both share common interests, and under different circumstances, we could be good friends. She said that even if I agreed to it, he would not likely go for it, and if he didn’t, she would know that I was more committed than he was, and she would end things with him. I thought about it, and came to the conclusion that it was the only thing to do. I held a large amount of the blame of pushing her away and into his arms, but I was not about to throw away over 12 years of my life without trying everything. I agreed to let him come to our house to stay for a week to see if it is an option worth even exploring. She was visibly excited at the prospect.

She set to the task of convincing him to come here to try it. At first he was as reluctant as I was, if not more so. Nothing she said to him made any difference, he wasn’t interested in sharing her. I sympathized. He has a chance at a normal life, a normal relationship, and she is asking him to pick up and move here to share our lives in an arrangement that society considers anything but normal. She was devastated, but not surprised at the result. She was obviously having difficulty taking no for an answer. She called him with me standing next to her, to ask him one last time. He wasn’t giving in. Finally, I asked if I could talk to him. She handed me the phone. We spoke for the first time, and it went very, very differently than I expected. We got along. From the beginning. I told him that if he truly wanted to be with my wife, this was the only way to make it work. I told her that it is possible that neither one of us could ever be enough for her by ourselves, but perhaps we could together.I told him that we were already essentially sharing her, but this way she would actually be happy about it. I told him that I believed we could be friends, and that he had nothing to lose by trying, other than maybe his dignity (which I was already giving up by having that conversation). I explained why I had agreed to it. That I loved my wife, I loved my life with her, and I was willing to do anything for her except let her go. That I could not live with myself if I just walked away from her without trying everything I could. That in a lot of ways, it makes sense to me (but in a lot of ways, it doesn’t at all). He finally agreed.

This was two days ago. Since then, my wife has been happier than I have seen her in years, and our sex life has been great. She is being open and honest with me, and for the first time I have hope that we can rebuild our relationship. But I am still scared out of my mind. What if it works? What if it doesn’t?

Now for my questions: Am I an idiot? Am I a foolish, naive, desperate idiot? Or am I just doing whatever I can to save my marriage and continue being with the love of my life? Could this work? Is it possible for both of us to have an equal relationship with her? There are endless logistical and emotional questions to work through if we decide to pursue this after our week-long trial period, but I wanted to get some advice from impartial (and anonymous) sources.

TLR - My wife of 5 years had an affair and wants to have him move in with us as a second husband. I have agreed to test out this option to bring her happiness and save our relationship.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:00 PM
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I haven't read your whole post. I did read the bottom line.

I have been married to Maca for almost 15 years.
I had a long term affair with my best friend (now 20 years).
He has lived with us (and our kids) for the last 10 years.
Sept 2009? after some strenuous conversations and drama-Maca and I agreed to poly.

The first 2.3 years to follow, were HELL.
The last one has been awesome.
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:00 AM
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CAN this work? Yes.

Going from cheating to "polyandry or nothing"? Not loving your chances.

Good luck

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Old 07-03-2013, 01:38 AM
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Easy-no.
Hard work-yes.

All parties willing to put in the work? Yes.

It can happen. It's not easy, trust has to be re-earned, by both people involved in cheating.
Whatever led to LYING in the first place also needs addressed.


I will say-not having GG in our lives wasn't an option. Maca wanted it to begin with-understandably so. But he realized quickly that removing GG from our world was destructive to all of us-not just me. He relented while still not sure if he was willing to stay.
We did a LOT of work and it was work for EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US.
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:27 AM
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Is this going to be a non sexual visit? I don't know what would work for you, but for me I would want to focus on getting to know the other party - hanging out, having dinner, watching movies, playing board/video games, whatever you might share in common. From what I've seen lots of people handle PDA's and balancing the needs of the live in partner horribly during initial visits like this, taking sex off the table might help, at least for the first few days of the visit (and that includes taking sex off the table for you and her if you/he thinks its fair.)

Again, no idea where your head is at or if this would make you more comfortable, but unless you can happily forgive her for cheating before he gets there, taking it slow so you can process the feelings as they come up is going to be extra important.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:26 AM
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Why on earth does he need to come live with you for a week? Especially since you've never met him. This sounds like a recipe for disaster.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:53 PM
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I completely agree. This is a terrible idea. DO NOT HAVE HIM MOVE IN. You need to get to know him and change your view of him very slowly. I would end my marriage before I allowed this to happen. It is so disrespectful on so many levels and you are not showing sufficient self respect or self love if you allow this. Self love is very important when trying to start poly.
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Old 07-04-2013, 03:37 AM
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I would like to point out that you have not agreed to polyship. You have agreed to TALK ABOUT polyshipping with these people.

I don't know that you'd want to enter into a relationship with broken trust and weak communication skills between you and wife. Sounds like shaky foundations to me right there and who knows what he brings to the table to add to the pile.

But in this week? Could assess each person's fitness for such a thing -- because even if all are WILLING? They may not all be ABLE, and may not all have the skills/resources required to sustain a healthy polyship.

He can stay in a hotel that week. So everyone has space to chill if they want to. And while all 3 are there together that week? At the very minimum? Could cover these together:

Better if you all slowed this WAY DOWN and read more. Here's some hub pages.

You'd have to look elsewhere for more on healing broken trust from an affair.

You know yourself best. But if you are not going into this with joy in your heart but from a sense of "I am afraid to lose her if I don't do this" and riddled with doubts? It doesn't sound to me like you are looking out for your own well being as best as you could and like you are signing up for something fun for you.

Don't be afraid to ask point blank when you 3 talk -- "What's in this for me other than being in wife's orbit still? Does that mean wife is going to meet your wants, needs and limits now? Or still not meet them -- esp the trust breaking thing?"

If this were shopping for a car -- you'd want to know more. Gas mileage, cost, how many passengers it holds, good for city driving or country, etc. So... .take the week to REALLY kick the tires on this offer she is presenting you with. Get a sense of what you are buying into.

Right now the offer sounds flimsy to me. But you could take the week to assess.

I'd also like to point out -- you aren't "saving" the marriage from ending if you go there into trying out a polyship.

The 2 person marriage IS ending. Possible outcomes that I can see from here (There could be others I do not see):
It could be ending so it could become a healthy 3 person thing that healed from cheating start. The polyship happens and it goes well. (Good for your short term and long term health maybe)

It could be ending (as you knew it) and the polyship does not happen at all but in the talking about it you and wife gain new understanding of each other and rebuild a marriage after a cheating affair. (Good for your short term and long term health maybe)

It could be ending (as you knew it) and you have an experimental polyship for a time that folds. But you and wife grow from that experience and rebuild a stronger marriage. (some short term turbulence, but long term health ok for you maybe.)

It could be ending because she's no longer willing to uphold your previous boundaries/marriage agreements. In renegotiation and assessing polyship offer you find you no longer have matching wants/needs/limits/goals for a shared future. You could part cleanly first, and then go off to start new things with other people. (Not stellar for you short term, but good for you long term.)

It could be ending (as you knew it) and you have an experimental polyship for a time that folds. You and wife break up. (some short term turbulence, but long term health ok for you maybe.)

It could be ending the long slow torture way with potential to achieve big levels of stress and personal pain because you failed to talk/assess realistically at the beginning to weigh out the pros and cons. You all just jump in the new car you all buy. Stepped on the gas, covered eyes, and sit praying the car doesn't crash.... but who's steering and where is it even going? (Bad for your health short term and long term health to go live in Crazy Town because you don't want to talk about realistic healthy break ups instead.)
In all possible paths -- she and he will have the initial joys of being with new partner so she's on the upper track in this image for the emotional cycle of change that will be felt by all three of you. They have that to sustain them through the uncomfortable period.

You are on the lower track. What will you have to sustain you that you will provide? What will you have to sustain you that each will provide? So you can come through the initial uncomfortable period? Could talk that out -- what the plan is to weather the transition time so ALL the players come out ok in the end of it? And if the plan sounds "meh" to you? Could not sign up to do this.

If you all can make it through and achieve success -- that's great. I'm not knocking it.

But I'm also not kidding you -- it's a hard road to travel even in best of circumstances. You guys are thinking about taking it on in poor circumstances and you'd be well within your rights to say "After this week of serious thought? And contemplating your offer? And what changes to come that would all entail? And what emotional journey would have to be made? I'm sorry, but NO THANK YOU. I am not willing/able to participate in an offer like that. "

Then you could all come up with a new offer and a new set of agreements to consider or just agree this isn't gonna be a runner.

Tread carefully. You are responsible for your own well being first -- put your own oxygen mask on.

It's ok to be a Fool and step out into a new journey and go out to explore where you've never been before. But you don't have to do it by jumping off a cliff and you could try to go with a map and a compass at least.

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