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Old 05-24-2013, 01:10 PM
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I have to be careful what I say Marcus, and if you had been harrassed by uniformed police officers you would be intimidated too. They can and do ruin peoples lives, and I still haven't come to grips with the fact that putting a spot to it peacefully, will likely mean my life becomes a casualty. I know it is the right thing to do, to continue on like those before me, but it doesn't make it any easier when you know that they will likely retaliate and "deal" with me.
Ah the internet... sometimes I forget how 'interesting' people out there are.
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Old 05-24-2013, 01:30 PM
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But what about the cell phone towers controlling our minds, the black helicopters and the alien robot bugs entering our navels?

II, the topic seems to be that Franklin Veaux is a false liberal, not really poly, Republican Erudite. And the police are on his side!!

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I don't feel it's necessary to restate the potential problems that can arise from a couple looking for a third, any post tagged with unicorn, unicorn hunters, or couples privilege reiterates the possible pitfalls of the triad dynamic. That is good to point out the pitfalls, but the vilifying of a couple and ridiculing any couple desiring an addition to form a triad is the part that baffles me. And it seems to come from a set of very anonymous, extremely passive aggressive group of tech savy people who have a much exaggerated presence online as opposed to the real world as online what looks like four or fourty people can be the work of only one individual. This attitude I am speaking of is one where they attempt to use very logical and sometimes even a scientific strategy to examine poly relationships as if math equations where A + B = C therefore C - B = A and I feel that their attitude is not at all based on facts, but more based upon whatever crazy notion of the month had the most persuasive bloggers and public debators prove their logic. So they end up with logical sounding reasoning that has nothing to do with the actual assertions or points they are trying make. It is a problem that stems from forgetting that all of the subsets they break a relationship down into do not actually exist on their own, they are an aspect of the dynamics of relationships.
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Old 05-24-2013, 01:53 PM
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Ah the internet... sometimes I forget how 'interesting' people out there are.
Indeed, in all seriousness, I really get the feeling that there might be a "medical" situation here and it might be best to not use this person for sport. There is nothing here which could possibly convince me that the OP is of sound mind.
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Old 05-24-2013, 01:57 PM
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it might be best to not use this person for sport
I know, I know, 'don't poke the bear with a stick'.

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II, the topic seems to be that Franklin Veaux is a false liberal, not really poly, Republican Erudite. And the police are on his side!!
And a passive-aggressive invader of people's privacy. You forgot those two things which are perhaps the most important and least appreciated of the man's qualities. In fact, he's so good at it, i can feel him reading my thoughts right now and putting them into a false database somewhere on the internet.
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Indeed, in all seriousness, I really get the feeling that there might be a "medical" situation here and it might be best to not use this person for sport. There is nothing here which could possibly convince me that the OP is of sound mind.


I read that too much amphetamines can create a mental condition that is virtually indistinguishable from paranoid psychosis.

Not everyone is aware that Ayn Rand was a speed freak, as was Hitler and others whose names escape me at the moment...

Just a little anecdotal editorializing on my part. Don't let me disrupt the flow of discussion. As you were.
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Old 05-24-2013, 05:50 PM
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Default I am not saying he doesn't have more than one

Relationship, from his writing he seems to believe in non-monogamy. However I do not stretch the "poly" to include bigoted Right Wing views about marriage as that is more about hatred than it is love.

I am not afraid of people believe I am "interesting" or paranoid, what ignorant people think of me doesn't bother me.

Out of respect for the moderators request to finish this post, I will leave it here.
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Old 05-24-2013, 06:59 PM
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I guess i fail to see how, of all things, Tacit is promoting the "bigoted right-wing view of marriage". I thought the Republicans were in favor of marriage being between "one man and one woman". I must have missed something important recently by only watching Netflix and PBS Create instead of Fox and CNN.

I'd love to know what dirtcustard thinks about the Boston Marathon bombing, did Franklin Veaux mastermind that, as well? maybe that deserves its own thread.
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Old 05-24-2013, 07:27 PM
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Default Maybe it is time to just have it out and deal with it

But perhaps it should be kept within the context of how it fits into the lives of poly people.

My point is, that anybody who has problems allowing families with a same sex pair as the heads of a family's household, to the point where they attempt to force the govt. to write law that explicitly makes it illegal for gay families to benefit from equal privileges as straight committed people, will not ever be able to recognize the commitments of more than two adults at the head of a families household.

That contrary to the surface of his writing, is a very serious subtle underlying meaning which is extremely anti-poly, or at least anti-poly in regards to recognizing the legal aspects of allowing people to commit to more than one person. Because of the many ways the Constitution protects each and every citizen, and due to the fact that a person's legal rights change once they enter committed relationships, specifically marriage, these are very real and inevitable problems that poly people will be faced with in the very near future.

Because of his political views, and his extremely passive aggressive way of communicating, I do not view his writing as good advice nor a good model to follow for anybody new or looking into practicing polyamory.

I don't think Franklin had anything to do with the Boston Marathon bombing, however I firmly believe his ignorance and failure to be straight forward, are actually good examples of behavior which contribute to the problems of having a population of very confused people. It is relevant because of the fact that confusion and the problem of not understanding the facts of reality in this world is at the root of the larger problems the world faces these days.

Do you have anything you wish to seriously discuss?
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:23 PM
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Default A little more clarity on Tacits tactics

Because it isn't easy to explain questions like Anabel's and not look like a tinfoil hat wearing paranoid, I will make another attempt to state the tacttics of such "writers", if political manipulators can even be called that.

The lies he posts in attempt to persuade the reader (which is by definition manipulation, as people with good intentions do not resort to lying) are not at all innocent. Republicans go to great lengths in their effort to write the content for tabloid science publications such as Science Daily, Nature, and Scientific American. They don't technically lie, because it may be a fact that coal is more "radioactive" in regards to C14 and that molecule's "radioactive" decay than the highly toxic and highly radioactive nuclear waste.

Tacit and the Republican tabloid, use a very manipulative play of words which intends to deceive the reader. He writes so that you will automatically associate "radioactive" to mean highly toxic and deadly to be in contact with. However the context that flyash is more "radioactive" than nuclear waste has absolutely nothing to do with how toxic each of the byproducts are, as it is a fact that flyash is not even in the same ballpark in terms of being a toxic substance, it isn't even in the same universe. Yet because he is talking about radioactive decay, he isn't "technically" lying until he uses the term in an outright false context.

It isn't "technically" lying, it's worse, it's using your mind's logical strengths against you in an extremely manipulative way so that control over your decisions can be had against your will.

One manipulative idiot out there in the blogosphere isn't a big deal, but a coordinated and well financed political group is dangerous. Tacit tries to play it off like it is funny, as if it's just a joke, but abusive isn't funny in my book. And I do see the use of specific vocabulary in such deceitful ways as manipulative and abusive to the public as well as those who are actually well meaning who work in the industry of United States Govt.

Using publications that are not at all based on science, but rather lawyer-like grammarians who twist facts to imply whatever "fact" they want is essentially lying and manipulating the very leaders who are in charge of writing policy that my country is governed by, is despicable.

I do not believe he wasn't aware of how manipulative the term "radioactive" was, as most if not all who read his bullshit words took the word to mean toxic to life, which is an outright lie in this case.

And Marcus it isn't Franklin who I see as the evil dragon, he is just an idiot employee of said dragon. But in regards to poly, and poly rights which should be a concern of anybody who actively practices polyamory or might sometime in the future, it is imperative that you stand behind the those who are fighting the current battle for equal rights, and that is currently the fight for our LGBT family members to finally have their rights recognized and protected as the Constitution explicitly guaranteed almost 250 years ago.

Any members of our family who have their rights withheld from them, if they ever want those withheld rights to be afforded, should be very concerned about the current marriage laws. Poly rights and our success at obtaining them depends on our LGBT family members success at obtaining theirs.

Every argument against equal rights that holds any weight, will be rooted in lies, it is a simple fundamental truth when it comes to laws and rights of citizens. The ones who honestly believe that they have legitimate grievance against gay marriage are bigots. Nine times out of ten those who deny the truth aren't being honest about.

If Franklin's sites can help you, more power to you and him, I don't he is honest nor truthful in the intentions of his words. I take civil rights very seriously and those who base their writing in anything but truth hinder the movement, at least as I see things. So in my eyes people like him effectively hinder poly practicing people from being able to live openly without having being poly negatively effect their lives and the lives of their loved ones. Just because self identifies as poly doesn't mean he is helping

It is important to point out that many of the problems in poly relationships stem from the fact that they cannot live openly. The need to hide is as toxic to relationships as the nuclear waste he lies about. I wish he would think about what he writes because he is in a position to make a difference, even with the modest following he has. It is a shame he does not
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