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Old 06-27-2012, 01:20 AM
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Hey cool! I'm glad this thread got bumped!

Recently a very good friends of mine and Bear's accused us of having an adulterous relationship. Nice. Real nice.

You can actually read about it over in Rhinestone Ramblings in PolyBlogs : )
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:40 AM
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I've read a lot of the posts on this web site and I've yet to find anyone suggesting that it's okay to betray a commitment between a husband and wife.

The term adultery has evolved to mean any sexual interaction between two people who aren't married. For some reason we always assume that adultery is restricted to sexual interaction. The root meaning of the word is "to corrupt".

We suppose that the most common causes for betrayal in marriage is sexual attraction but from what I can tell that's like putting the cart before the horse.

The corruption is the act of betrayal.

I know of many instances of corrupt relationships between people who strictly practice monogamy and practice a type of betrayal that far surpasses sexual unfaithfulness.

I’ve come to believe that if I can’t be honest with my wife about my sexual desires I can’t be honest with her about anything, really.

I think open marriage and polyamory is a sincere attempt to not betray someone we love.

Jesus condemned immorality or illegal sexual activity. Again I haven't read anything here that promotes illegal sexual activity.

The last I knew two people living together isn't illegal.
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Old 06-27-2012, 03:20 AM
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I'd like to have this conversation out here in the open instead of via pm and email. I think it's a subject that really needs to be explored as there are probably a lot of Christians that practice polyamory.

AND, polygamy is starting to have some acceptance in mainstream society. It's only a matter of time before non-Morman polygamists show up in churches.
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Old 06-27-2012, 03:21 AM
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Btw, I'm a church pianist. Bear is an ordained minister...
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Old 06-27-2012, 01:13 PM
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Open conversation about touching and sex is important for Christians. We like Jesus was are surrounded by religious hypocrites who are some of the worst perpetrators of sexual misconduct.

Victims of rape, sexual abuse or any traumatic abuse are broken from their spiritual connection with their own body.

The statistics on sexual abuse are pretty amazing. There are very few people who haven’t been offended to some degree or another.

Our desire to touch and be touched must have rules and boundaries for all of our protection.

The religious community has established rules that we are taught at a very early age that make touching one of the great taboos.

I recently found out that one of men’s greatest fears about sexual intercourse is that often times we ejaculate before our partner is ready to finish.

The cure for pre ejaculation is masturbation. Learning to masturbate routinely is healthy for men.

Just last month my wife’s pastor preached vehemently about the evil of men masturbating because it would mean for the most part that we’re masturbating while lusting. Of course he made no mention of the importance of men learning to masturbate just for the sheer pleasure of touching themselves without external stimulation. So we're left with the usual shame about sexual pleasure.

We’re taught that the only sensual touching that is permitted is between a husband and wife. On so many levels this promotes and fosters sexual misconduct.

The religious community doesn’t take the time to get this issue right. It is not on the forefront taking the lead but instead preaches repression of education and understanding. As it does with so many important behavioral issues.

It’s left as it always has been to individual believers to love each other, deeply, from the heart.

I’m so happy all of you are here. Other believers who want to experience what Jesus commanded. Loving each other as we would want to be loved. Loving each other and ourselves proportionately and equally. Without co dependence but with the knowledge that the most important issue for all of us to learn to love and be loved.
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Old 07-04-2012, 03:20 PM
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Jesus didn’t say a lot about sex in general and nothing at all about his own sexuality. Speculation about His relationship with the women in His life and about John’s comments that he was the disciple who Jesus loved is just that, pure speculation.

I choose not to speculate. I’m comfortable that of all the words written the words attributed to Christ are the most scrutinized of all.

There are two passages that are thought to be erroneous. Handling snakes and the women at the well.

LUST
Desire for something that doesn't belong to us. Thinking of people as commodities is evil. When Jesus spoke of it He connected it with stealing.

ADULTERY
Corruption of a marriage is forbidden but Israelite and historic Jewish society was polygynous (one man could have many wives or concubines), so the marital status of the man was irrelevant. A concubine is generally a woman in an ongoing, matrimonial-like relationship with a man, whom she cannot marry for a specific reason.

EUNUCH
“For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

Jesus made it plain that being a castrated male is not a requirement to renounce marriage.

There is confusion regarding eunuchs in Old Testament passages, since the Hebrew word for eunuch also referred to other servants and officials who had not been castrated but served in similar capacities
The Greek word is derived from eun , "bed," and ekhein, "to keep" a Eunuch is ideally suited to guard the bedchamber of women.
KJV uses geld in place of Eunuch.
Geld Origin 1250–1300
1. to castrate (an animal, esp. a horse).
2. to take strength, vitality, or power from; weaken or subdue.
NIV states a eunuch renounces marriage, not sexual intimacy.
KJV limits a Eunuch to a castrated male incapable of sexual intimacy.

It’s commonly believed that dildos were created by eunuchs to carry out their duties.

MARRIAGE
According to Jesus a temporary state of being that won’t exist in Heaven. Personally I think marriage provides protection of a mother and her children. I think the prohibition is having children without the protection of marriage.

I don’t know of anyone who would think the advice to not thoughtlessly reproduce isn’t wise.

HOMOSEXUALITY
There is absolutely no reference to anything Jesus said about this issue.

Oftentimes Christ’s statement, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” is used to reinforce the old testament prohibitions of homosexuality along with a myriad of other old and new testament instructions.

For me this is a huge trap. Men have used the words of the bible to create a reality all their own. The debate over slavery and women’s rights comes to mind

THE LAW OF THE PROPHETS
When pressed by a religious hypocrite attorney Jesus summarized the law and the prophets this way:

“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

I Believe in Jesus is God, the only one who I will ever call Lord. These are the words I live by.
• You believe in God; believe also in me.
• Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father
• If you love me, keep my commands
• Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching
• No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other
• He will be devoted to the one and despise the other
• You cannot serve both God and Money.
• My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.
• For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
• But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
• Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men
• But the blasphemy against His Spirit will not be forgiven.
• "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY
I would rather have the battle to not allow anyone to take Christ’s place as god, not being sucked into being asked to be god and loving myself and my neighbor equally than I would the conflict of making a living working for a religious organization.

Taking money in exchange for love is a hard pill for me to swallow. My love is a gift, it is not a commodity.

The greatest enemy, the opposite of Jesus is materialism.

If I love only to be loved in return is that really love?

If I love to receive money in return doesn’t that make me a whore?

Isn’t that why the religious community killed Jesus?

Because He revealed the fact that they are religious whores?

Could it be that the hyper interest of the religious community to delve, carelessly into the personal lives of people they don’t know is a way to divert attention from their disobedience to His command that we hate materialism?

I am not a personal relationship I am a commodity. Hmmm. Where did that idea come from?
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Old 07-07-2012, 05:30 AM
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Great perspectives and info!! Not too far from my own thoughts!!

Personally, if there is no lying and everybody involved knows and consents, and you act in a spirit of love for each other, I don't see how it could be sinful. Following the Golden Rule as well as loving your neighbor as yourself!!
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Old 07-07-2012, 07:49 PM
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Thank you. There are many, many believers who are suffering needlessly because they equate Christ's condemnation of rape with being sensual. We end up desensitized to real abuse and hating ourselves for our often times feeble attempts at love. Sort of the reverse opposite of His command to love our neighbor as much as we love ourselves.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:09 PM
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Hi Boston! Just wanted to say I'm in complete "aww" of your love and wisdom that you have shared with us! May the Lord continuously bless you and your family!
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Old 07-17-2012, 08:42 PM
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Sorry to barge in here, not being Christian and all, but it utterly amazes me how the so-called "mainstream" christians are willing to condemn those that really do no harm to anyone, and, in fact, increase the love.

Many of you will have seen this quote, because it's been going around on the Interwebs recently, but here goes. It's about homosexuality, but it could equally be about polyamory or polygamy

"Some people say homosexuality is a sin. It's not. God is perfectly cool with it, and he feels the same way about homosexuality as he does about heterosexuality.

"Now you might say woo, woo, slow down, you move too fast. How could you have the audacity, the temerity to speak on behalf of God?

"Exactly, that's an excellent point, and I pray that you remember it."

(Ted Alexandro)
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