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Old 11-15-2011, 03:54 AM
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River, thank you for your support of the movement. I'm not ready to become an occupier myself (I'm changing the system from the inside ), but I so appreciate the fact that the corporations and government in our country have been put on notice that our citizenry will only take so much greed and disregard for the common people.
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:28 PM
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River,

All the people I've talked to who have participated in these "occupy encampments "about 5....41/2 really....all said , after a bit of probing, that the salaries and bonuses of wall street traders and hedge fund managers was what they objected to. Then they added the high cost of education and health care, global warming, etc. .

In Santa Fe what did you and your fellow occupies want changed?

What do the NY protesters want changed.?
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:37 PM
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In Santa Fe what did you and your fellow occupies want changed?

What do the NY protesters want changed.?
I thought I answered this already. We want democracy instead of corporate and monied interest rule. We may point out a thousand different symptoms of plutocracy, but that's the underlying theme. It's really very simple.
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Old 11-15-2011, 05:43 PM
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Yes you did say that ...I was thinking of actual specific and detailed suggestions. Something more than down with corporate greed.

I don't think the movement had a very unified message....among the occupiers. Because if that was the goal why talk about the salaries or bonuses of people on wall street, cost of education, etc, etc....

Why wasn't the protest be in DC forcing changes in the election laws? Why not protest 528 million dollars wasted on a solar company? or the GM bailout or all the other bailouts?

Why not protest the politicians who take corporate money? or awarded wasteful contracts.

Did you have guest speakers or politicians rotate through? Did you get direction from Ny or some other rally?

Do you have candidates that your local movement supports...are they affiliated with either of the major parties.?

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Old 11-16-2011, 05:39 PM
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Do you have candidates that your local movement supports...are they affiliated with either of the major parties.?

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D,

The Occupy Movement is broad and diverse and "leaderless" (or all or many are leaders). No one speaks for the movement, though General Assemblies in various cities/towns do speak in a unified voice.

That said, I'd say that most of us who hit the streets under the Occupy banner did so with the conviction that our political system is fundamentally broken, including, of course the two dominant and hegemonic political parties which Ralph Nader aptly calls "the duopoly" (the corporate parties).

We hit the streets mainly in a desperate plea to the general public to wake the fuck up already. We did not hit the streets with a narrow and specific set of end goals -- other than true democracy in the USA.

Sure, we carried signs asking for this that and the other thing. I suggest you
examine these signs for the underlying message, rooted in an underlying cause. Otherwise, we will be a complete mystery to you.
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Old 11-16-2011, 05:52 PM
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Now back to polyamory....

I delayed going to spend face-to-face and skin-to-skin time with Faraway Sweetie because I got caught up in a grassroots revolutionary pro-democracy movement. (Sorry, Sweet, you know I had to do it!) But I'm now free to travel and will be heading up to be with my Very Dear One right after Thanksgiving. We will have known one another about six months.

Pretty much everything about my relationship with FS is entirely uncharted territory for me. She's a woman, and I've had little experience with women as romantic, loverly partners. And she lives far, far away. And we've developed an intensely intimate friendship over great distance ... by emails and phone. And I'm in love with her, anyway. Have been for a while. Most of these six months, really. It's strange. It may be crazy. I dunno. But it is how I feel.

I almost backed away. Almost, sort of almost. I got caught up in the fear of not having her around for long spells, a condition created by economics and twelve hundred miles. Yesterday evening I felt as if my soul were a rope in a tug of war.

Fear lost.

Love won.
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Old 11-17-2011, 04:10 PM
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Sorry I couldn't play yesterday I was busy running my little company.
I looked at the signs, down with corporate greed, we are the 99%, repeal the patriot act, foreclosures suck , end the Cuban blockade. I asked direct questions of people carrying the signs and I got slogans back. I asked you who spent weeks camped in it 5-6 direct questions and I got ....some pseudo intellectual bs on government structures and a suggestion I look at the underlying cause. OK how is ending the Cuban blockade, or the patriot going to change corporate salaries or stop foreclosures. I think you're ready for political office ...your going to make a great politician .... here's another tough question, have you declared your candidacy yet. I hope you remember your poly friends once you get in office.

Are you people against all big corporations or just a select few? I saw a lot of people looking down, and playing with their gadgets ...is big telecom, ATT, Verizon part of the hit list ...will they become targets down the road. What about the makers of those devices ... all big corporations. What about the salaries and bonuses of those corporations....Why aren't you going after pro athletes, NASCAR Drivers , TV, and movie industry people ....Why not picket Oprah, Hanks, Beckham... or Sunday afternoons set up outside football stadiums...have people do google searches on players compensation packages....."that guy is clearly not worth that" ..."quick give me a crayon" ...down with number 42 and his high priced agent. Yes fuck the Jerry Maguires of the world...leaches all of them. Now there's a target rich environment...Agents....great idea right...your welcome. All agent should be taxed at a much higher rate(%) ? ...I'll leave that up you...you're the politician now but make it hurt. Thanks

Why not get rid of the TSA I hate all the bs at the airports? "Down with the TSA" " Down with the TSA" .....Sure people will die....but its a risk I'm willing to take and live with.
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Old 11-17-2011, 05:25 PM
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I asked you who spent weeks camped in it 5-6 direct questions and I got ....some pseudo intellectual bs on government structures and a suggestion I look at the underlying cause.
DG,

Sorry, but my time is limited and I can't always answer five or six questions which require a lot of contextualizing. When I replied, I gave as much time as I had to your questions.

Because you have responded to what I could give at that moment by calling my words "pseudo intellectual bs," I am very disinclined to try further to explain my views on this matter.

I am a very genuine intellectual. An honest one. And my views on the topic at hand are honest, and well considered. Forgive me for not being able to hand you my unwritten book of essays. And don't expect me to reply to you again without having first received an apology.
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Old 11-17-2011, 06:21 PM
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Clearly you didn't want to have this discussion ...your answers and comments speak for themselves ...Not much of an advocate ...too busy to spread the word for the cause....use your blog to fight the good honesty fight for the common man ...the 99. What about my TSA idea? Could you at least past that along at the next meeting/planning session. I'll even donate markers( not sharpies they're a big corporation....which is bad ) generic ones....from china.

I 'm rethinking your bid for public office I'm not sure you're ready ...might be little too thin skinned. Plutocracy, do you know where that came from?
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Old 11-17-2011, 10:45 PM
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Hey River

I'll quickly jump straight over the banal blah blah above and say - Lovely to hear from you...You are very inspiring and I wish you all the best for your upcoming visit...

I'm so, so, excited and happy for you !!
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