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Old 10-18-2011, 06:50 AM
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magdlyn, thanks for this thread :-)

in this period (as i finished Sex at Dawn) i started reading Duby
http://www.amazon.fr/Chevalier-femme.../dp/2012790712
in his most important work about the birth of marriage and as it arrived to us, in our time -of course including sooo many coefficients.
it is clear that religion ruled something and the most of people did its opposite century by century, as our First Nature lead us, but i see how much this suppression is still influencing anyones' life every day; we cannot pretend it has a weight we all can ignore.
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There is a legend that Mary "Virgin" was sent to live at the Temple when she was 12. Then she just happened to get pregnant by a spirit.
another legend says Mary was brought to the temple as a little girl and then kicked out when she received her first flow.
another one, coming out from the Aquarian gospel, says that mary and her cousin elisabeth went studying..well, i can't recall with whom and where, but something like very deep roots of knowledge in many arguments, metaphysical too.

it just flashed few sec ago the fact that the first and only christian pope who dared to say that the Spirit is the Feminine (as the father and the son are clearly spoken in critstian practice), was found dead after less than a month of charge and still it is clear (and unclear) that it was a murder going on, not a desease as the official, written version says.
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Old 10-18-2011, 11:22 AM
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There is a legend that Mary "Virgin" was sent to live at the Temple when she was 12. Then she just happened to get pregnant by a spirit.
I'm sorry, I misremembered the story. A popular apocryphal story, The Protoevangelium of James, probably written in 145CE, states that Mary was dedicated to the Temple when she was weaned at 3 years old. She lived there as a "dove," (common goddess holiness symbol). When she reached puberty, widowers of the country were commanded to bring their "rods" to the Temple to see who would earn her as a wife. A "dove" flew out of Joseph's rod.

Doves as a goddess symbol were used as early as the Minoan period, 16th century BCE.

At the time of the writing of the New Testament, doves were a symbol of the fertility goddess Aphrodite/Venus... Greek culture was pervasive in Judea.

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To the Ancient Greeks, the dove was perceived as Aphrodite, the goddess of love and beauty, and thus also invested with erotic connotations. As an attribute of the fertility goddess, the dove became a symbol of love between human beings, and between the deity and the worshipers.
Dove symbolism

http://198.62.75.1/www1/ofm/mag/MAen9905.html

Protoevangelium of James

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0847.htm
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Old 10-18-2011, 02:55 PM
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The Protoevangelium of James,

Doves as a goddess symbol
that's it, thanks, i forgot from where i got the "info" (or should we say the gossip?!); what i remembered about it, is this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5pZX4m6Hjc
"l'infanzia di maria" by fabrizio de andré -who has been one of italian major poets (in music) of last century.

yes, the dove became the symbol of Holy Spirit which is, we said, Feminine, this too i'd forgotten!

i share with magdlyn some sense of "nostalgic" taste of the way whole humanity Lived sex before agriculture came and before the years of repression came through the Church' actions, speaks, books, and thoughts being themselves their own personal traitors; i.e. Bourchard de Worms in his "Decretum" was listing down what WE could do and not could do with our own sexuality.
actually, as years pass by, and after having read SaD, i have less and less words to ...explain...
i keep alive within me the sense of pre-historical values and honour we are also discussing here.
i cannot do without linking here this (hope it is not a problem for this board if i link music... ?) video and hope it will be also lookable..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kizbFjWheW0

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I found this thread because I've seen Mags mention sacred sexuality elsewhere on the forum and couldn't remember exactly where, and wanted to find more, so I did a search...

And I've read the thread and have some thoughts that I can't fully form right now because I didn't get much sleep last night and my brain is fuzzy, so I'm posting this so I can find the thread again tomorrow.
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I've also had the idea that in another life/place/time I'd have served in the temple of a sex goddess of some sort, probably one of the forerunners of Aphrodite in Minoan Greece.....

As a young woman, once I realized sex was something people wanted from me, and I could give it to them and make them feel amazing, I went home with almost anyone who asked. The older I got, the more judicious I became with my sexual self, and less open to casual sex. But I sometimes feel as though my purpose in this world is to remain receptive, sexual, and loving. I am GOOD at being a lover, good at it to point where I often wish more worldly things (making money, cleaning house, creative pursuits) came as naturally to me.

It definitely sucks to live in a society where a woman's ability to give of herself is often commodified, vilified, or abused instead of celebrated and honored.
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Old 01-17-2016, 05:47 PM
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I doubt I would ever have served in a temple, but maybe that's because I've been unpacking a lot of crap from my past lately and so my thoughts on sex are ranging from positive to negative to confused as hell.

But Woody's given me some reading to do about Wicca and witchcraft, at my request, and that started opening up a few thoughts. According to the first book he loaned me, in witchcraft, sex is considered a sacred act because it embodies the creation energy and the interaction between Goddess and God. The first few times I saw references to that in the book, I pretty much wanted to throw the thing across the room... I had to do some serious introspection and journaling, and have a few conversations with Woody, to start making peace with the concept.

Note, for those reading this who haven't followed my blog and don't "know" me on here... I am not sex-negative *in general*. I am sex-negative, or at least have been, solely in reference to myself and my own life, and it's because of some serious abuses that occurred in my childhood and during my marriage to my kids' father. So anything I say here that sounds negative or judgmental about sex, please realize I am speaking only *for* myself *about* myself; I don't judge other people or their lives, because I'm not them and it isn't my place.

As I read and started tying threads together, I realized something, though. For whatever reason, past lives or something, for years now I've been very drawn to the god Shiva. And in reading about him, I've found many references to Parvati, who as I understand it is both Shiva's partner and his female aspect. And she's a fertility goddess, and the Creator to Shiva's Destroyer. I've felt drawn to Parvati to the extent that if I stand in front of a statue of her in a museum, I feel like I'm being yanked between worlds; everything spins around me, and my perception is split. Sounds weird, but I'm weird...

So Parvati, in some ways, is the embodiment of sexuality and sexual energy, and if I internalize that aspect, like I feel as if I should be... I've now lost the words to finish that sentence, but some of you can probably see where I'm leading with this.

Some of the experiences I've had with Woody, particularly since I read that book, are reinforcing it as well; sex is an empowerment. It's a flow of Creation energy, because, well, sex creates things. So I'm kind of tracking some thoughts here that are running away too quickly for me to express them, but it's something I'm working with.
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So many times in my sexual life (before I was married and my sexual energies were tamped down for many reasons), I had visions of myself in a temple or bathhouse, welcoming men home from war, soothing their spirits and bodies with sex, massage, pleasure, and helping make them whole again. The problem with my visions of being a modern-day temple prostitute in current society, was that I was programmed to believe in monogamy and finding an exclusive partner to grow old with -- and so I would get upset when the men I was with got the healing they needed and then were no longer in my life anymore. I often overlooked the fact that the encounter was finite, not meant to be a forever thing, and just as healing for me as it was for them. However, I consider myself fortunate that these patriarchal thoughts didn't always get in the way. I have had the enriching experience several times of having shared my body with someone, felt my heart expand in the time we shared together, and was able to say goodbye, still feeling a loving connection, without any sadness or sense of loss. I remember one of these guys saying to me, "I won't say I'll miss you, because that would mean there's something lacking. But what we had fills me and makes it possible for me to leave, and to smile whenever I think of you." And I knew what he meant, and felt the same way. I have always remembered him fondly, although that was the last time we saw each other, 22 years ago. To the others in our social circle who knew we'd gotten it on, they probably thought that all we had was a one-night stand. It was so much more, and yet it was just sex at the same time.

I started having sex at 14, was always tuned into my sexual nature, and although my Inner Prude has always been there and I don't have much experience with kinky shit or experimentation, I have known that my sexuality was healing to others. My sister has had the same thing -- even "curing" (for lack of a better word) one lover of ED, after he had sex with her. I don't think it's magic or fantasy. I think it has to do with trusting and being secure in one's desires and sharing the body with kindness and respect, which enables one's partner to resonate with that. I see this as very different from swinging, which turns me off.

Though it can seem to others that it's just whorish behavior, or somehow disrespectful to oneself to be so "casual" with sexual dalliances.

Maybe the patriarchal view of sex as dirty having been held for so many generations is another contributing factor to post-traumatic stress syndrome. Imagine all the soldiers with PTSD going to see a skilled sex worker instead of a shrink!
Wow, brilliant post, I thoroughly indentify! Healing with sex is exactly what I love to do, I'll definitely read the book talked about upthread.
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Makes me think of the movie, "American Courtesans" (2013). Interviews with past and present prostitutes. Really good film; lots of food for thought.
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Yeah, but why are they even saying that? Why is it an issue or something to comment on? That's the problem. It's not a compliment, and no less derogatory than another chick saying she's a skank.

I remember, years ago, when I asked a guy I was seeing what drew him to me and made him want to pursue me. He responded with a bunch of nice compliments, but mixed in with all that was the comment, "I had the feeling you were free with your body." It might have seemed innocuous or flattering, but I felt degraded somehow by it. There was this constant niggling thought that he saw me just as someone who put out, and that he could get lucky with, not really an appreciation of ME, and how "free I was with my body." Now, it came out later on in the relationship that he did think of it as sort of a badge of honor to have "gotten" me. So I, and my sexuality, became objectified by his attitude.
THIS!^^^
I am having a hard time being open to casual encounters because lately men want to pursue me because they know I am poly and free with my body they just think that automatically entitles them! Even my boss made a joke about my comfort in my own body (he doesnt know I am poly I dont think, I am not secret about it, but I havent had a direct conversation either.). I made a comment about a little ggirl wearing bunny ears and he said I could use a set and tail for myself too.

Then more recently with Lark, who I thought was a man who was fine with me and wanting me for more than just an object kept repeating how hot I was and then only wanted to come to my house at midnight and sent me unsolicited pictures of sexual objects saying he couldnt wait to have sex with me, when I hadnt agreed or suggested sex was even on the table.
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