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Old 06-11-2012, 06:15 PM
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Default Polys opinions about monos exploring poly appreciated

Would like your opinions on something that has been bothering me. I let a crush know that I liked her and she responded that she needed someone who was heavily into kink (s&m), and knew I would not be able to provide that. We didn't even discuss that I am interested in poly. (When we first met, I'd apparently given her the impression that I was mono and vanilla). Having been exposed to her poly world (for the last year), I feel like exploring both worlds.

Recently she commented that her OSO's girlfriend was in over her head, since she was vanilla and not kinky. That the relationship will probably not last.

Still feeling a little slighted, I am wondering, do most poly folks feel the same about someone like me? That we can't change? Have you always felt "poly", even when you didn't have the word for it? Thanks.
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:08 PM
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I have always felt poly to some extent, but not everyone has. Some poly people however have strong ideas about what "all polys" are or are not. Things like kinky, geeky and pagan come up a lot. But there are many polys who are not these things.

I think you should tell her how you feel. And I assure you being poly doesn't really depend on what other things you are, as much as some people seem to believe it does. So don't worry about it.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:51 PM
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I feel like there's really two different issues going on here. It seems to me like her comments are focused on being kink which doesn't have anything to do with being poly. I can understand her thinking that someone who needs a certain kind of kink in their relationships is not going to do well with someone who cannot provide that kink. I can also understand feeling that someone who is new to kink could be overwhelmed.

But none of that has anything to do with being mono previously and looking into poly. As long as you're honest with the people you date (something along the lines of "I agree with/am interested in the principles of poly but I don't know how I'll actually react so please be patient." gives them a chance to decide if they want to get involved with you) I don't see any problem with you "trying" poly. We all had our first experience with poly at some point, even if we felt poly before we knew the word. No one can know for sure what's going to happen in any attempt at a relationship, so as long as you're being open and honest and not using people to "experiment" on, what's the problem?
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:52 PM
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I agree that there are two separate issues (poly and kinky), and I wonder if she mentioned kinky as a way to let me down easy. I am trying to maintain the friendship and act "normal'.

It was her comment implying her gf's gf can't change that led me to wonder if most polys feel like she did. Because she's always been/felt poly, that she might have a hard time seeing someone who had not previously identified as such to "convert".

I don't know if it's worth discussing, and definitely don't want her to think I am bringing it up to try to change her mind about dating me. We're pretty close friends but on reflection, probably would not be a good match. And for a lesbian, I am horrible at processing.
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:27 AM
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From what I can tell, a lot poly folks won't try a relationship with someone inexperienced. It is understandable if you realize most of them got burned badly, and usually more than once

Within kink, it also makes sense that some are willing to work with a newbie and some aren't. It's their choice. If they are used to giving/receiving intense pain, I could see them not wanting to scale it back 20 fold for a newbie.

She might be picking up what kind of vibe/energy you have and making assumptions about what BDSM you would be into. In general someone submissive wants someone Dominant, so why waste their time with someone giving off a submissive vibe? Same for Dominants. Of course there are more roles than simply submissive or Dominant, but we often have a gut feeling whether someone complements us.
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:15 AM
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I can't speak to the kink aspect of this question.

I can say that many of us have the experience of dating someone poly-curious or transitioning to poly only to realize well into the connection that poly isn't right for them. This results in heartache (and sometimes drama).

I've recently had this experience (as detailed in my blog). It is hard. And, certainly hard to repeatedly and knowingly expose yourself to. Many poly folks are as a result very hesitant to date those who are exploring poly for the first time. It is heart protection. It is not about you as an individual.

I'm still a bit torn about this. I've had the experience - twice already - in a relationship ending hard because of a reversion back to monogamy. At the same time, someone had to take a chance on me as I explored poly. And, I appreciate her greatly for that. I guess I'm likely to continue to give compelling newbies the benefit of the doubt.

It puts my heart at risk. But, I guess that for me that's just part of living life fearlessly. I'm doing my best to do just that.
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Old 06-19-2012, 02:36 PM
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Have you always felt "poly", even when you didn't have the word for it? Thanks.
No, I felt twu wub in my first relationship (in my teens). But, within six months, I realized I wanted to experiment. I`ve also been in a mono relationship for 3 years, although out of compromise. I felt mono was the only way I could have regular sex. I basically dragged it as long as I could, before dropping the 'open up' or 'break up' bomb on my partner.

Nowadays, I suppose someone who`s mono or a recent "convert" would be batting above their average dating me, TBQH. At least for the long haul, I think I am better matched with people who have had plenty of sexual experience, partners, and experience in open relationships. And, especially partners who know how to keep what`s private, private (note that I am open not poly).

Yet, who knows? I`m open minded enough to take it on a case-by-case basis. I won`t invest a lot of time on you, however, unless I`m confident that we`re spit from the same dragon.

The way I`ve gotten burned was, I`ve had partners who would agree to an open relationship in theory but act mono. In other words, not give me space, check on me when we were apart, PDA, pressure me to 'fess up' to being with other partners, and just generally passively-aggressively push toward home-making until I felt cooped up.

I guess the opposite end has also happened. I`ve had dates who played fast and loose with my schedule, didn`t communicate, and left me hanging, or vanished without notice, on the grounds that I did not want a 'serious' relationship and that I made them 'confused.'
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Old 06-21-2012, 04:03 AM
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I've been in mono relationships, like most poly people. Polyamory is a lifestyle, IMO, not an inborn sexuality. I think humans probably naturally lean towards monogamy for child rearing, but naturally seek out more than one partner otherwise. I saw a special on TV that says women prefer more masculine men during ovulation, and more feminine men when not ovulating, and I suspect that's true - We prefer different partners at different times.

I've always been kind of transient in my sexuality. I have periods where I don't even masturbate. I have periods where I feel very lesbian. I have periods where I feel very straight, and then I feel very interested in MFF threesomes or having sexual feelings towards men and women. I have periods where I think dating an MTF would be amazing, post-op or pre-op. Trans partners have this appreciation for being themselves, and seeing them become comfortable with their true spirits and identities is not just liberating for them, but their loved ones. Some of the best sex I had was with a trans partner.

I've also read women have more adaptable sexuality. I agree; I tend to find I'm interested in who I'm around. If I'm dating a woman, I tend to have more interest in women, and vice versa. And I imagine the same may even be true for poly - If you're actively living a poly life, it probably seems better than mono.

OTOH, I'm as vanilla as they come, and I cannot get into kink. Being dominated is not cool at all for me. I can do a good job at domination (so I am told), but it does nothing for me. I'd do some mild domination for someone I love, but they can forget me being a submissive. They'd have to find another partner.

I think it's a little sad your crush's OSO is probably going to end a relationship over a partner being too vanilla. Sex is important, but ending a relationship because a partner doesn't like a certain sexual act is unfortunate, but I guess I'm biased being a vanilla.
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Old 06-24-2012, 01:10 AM
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If you asked me out, and we chatted? I'd say yes or no depending on what I'm looking for at the time and if I'm even available for dating. It is not that you lack anything. Maybe her poly plate is just full right now.

It doesn't make you HORRIBLE or anything. Or her. Just... time management.


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We didn't even discuss that I am interested in poly. (When we first met, I'd apparently given her the impression that I was mono and vanilla). Having been exposed to her poly world (for the last year), I feel like exploring both worlds.
If you think that wasn't put out there clearly, put it out once more but if there's no spark for her there's just no spark for her. Be friends and let it go.

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Old 06-25-2012, 08:45 PM
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Still feeling a little slighted, I am wondering, do most poly folks feel the same about someone like me? That we can't change? Have you always felt "poly", even when you didn't have the word for it? Thanks.
I don't. There was a time when I didn't have "poly" to describe myself, and then there was a time when I had "poly" but didn't think to apply it. If it's what you want, it's what you want (and if it's not, that's awesome too).

I sometimes wonder how other poly people feel about someone who is vanilla and still poly. I can't meet kinky needs, either. Your crush certainly reinforces the whole "poly must be kinky too" paradigm. What if I'm just wired to want multiple people in my life, no whips or chains attached? /perturbed
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