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Old 03-27-2012, 04:11 PM
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Default Loving without Fear: Cleo's path

I've been reading the forums and many of the blogs for weeks.
And now I feel its time to add my story. Hopefully this will be a place where I can write, maybe vent, feel safe to talk about the things that bother me and make me happy.

A little background: my husband and I (I'll call him Ren) started our poly journey 3 years ago. It began as an open marriage where we had (mostly sexual) encounters - first swapping with couples and threesomes, then we dated separately.
It evolved to what seems to be more about love and less about sex - even though sex is still an important part of our 'other' relationships.

He's had a girlfriend since the summer. Lets call her Lou. She has a boyfriend in another city who doesn't know about her relationship with my husband. This bothers me a lot (I've written about this here http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22245) and this is a source of arguments between me and Ren.

I have 2 lovers.. boyfriends.. I'm thinking about what's the difference.. have to think some more.. One, lets call him MrBrown, I've known for 4 months. The other, lets call him Curlz, since 2 months.

Its a lot to process. I'm learning so much about myself, about what relationships are, what it means to love and be loved. Most of all, I'm learning about what it means to let go of my fears and to really open myself up.

My whole life has been a journey of learning how to open up. It finally started to happen after I turned 40, a couple of years ago. And there's so much more to come.
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:19 PM
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I have an amazing amount of love in my life. Yet so much fear of losing it. And therefore, I spend so much time looking for confirmation that yes, they all still love me, Want to be with me.

With Ren, this is almost easy. We've been together for such a long time. The relationship with his girlfriend has elements that bother me. And yes I am sometimes jealous. (She's beautiful. And not like me, at all. For an insecure person like myself - a huge challenge). But still I feel very safe with him, I don't feel like he could leave me any minute. (I know he could. I just don't expect him to).

With my lovers, its different. I haven't known them long enough to have established that kind of trust and faith. When I don't hear from them I worry. This morning on my way to work I had what I can only describe as a alight panic attack about Curlz. He's single, and going through divorce (but was in an open relationship with his wife for a couple of years). All of a sudden I just KNEW for sure that he would meet someone who he would want to be his primary. And I actually KNEW (ha) that he is going to meet her this weekend.

How irrational can I get? So much for loving without fear. I was reassured when he sent me a lovely and loving little text message later today. But I would so much prefer not to have to rely on this reassurance.

Such a long way to go.
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Old 03-27-2012, 05:08 PM
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All of a sudden I just KNEW for sure that he would meet someone who he would want to be his primary. And I actually KNEW (ha) that he is going to meet her this weekend.

How irrational can I get? So much for loving without fear. I was reassured when he sent me a lovely and loving little text message later today. But I would so much prefer not to have to rely on this reassurance.
Heh-heh, I can really relate to this. I wanted to say to you - so what would it really mean if Curlz finds another lover and that person becomes primary for him? That doesn't automatically mean it has to be over with you. And, if he does start having multiple relationships, he may not even choose to classify them according to hierarchies.

Also... loving without fear. I don't think the goal is to try and not have fears, but to keep loving in the face of fear. You know, along the lines of that old classic self-help book by Susan Jeffers: Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway.

Good, thought-provoking start for your blog, btw. Thanks for this... and welcome!
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Old 03-27-2012, 05:19 PM
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But I also wanted to say to you - so what would it really mean if Curlz finds another lover and that person becomes primary for him? That doesn't automatically mean it has to be over with you. And, if he does start having multiple relationships, he may not even choose to classify them according to hierarchies.

Also... loving without fear. I don't think the goal is to try and not have fears, but to keep loving in the face of fear.
Yes, that's true. It's very hard not to make assumptions. I sure don't know him well enough to know what he wants or is going to do.

About the fear: to me, fear is something that prevents me from doing the things I want to do.That's the paralyzing, numbing, suffocating effect of fear. So yes you're very right: my fears will never really go away, but I refuse to let them rule my behavior and prevent me from living my best possible life.

When I meet people now, and become close to them, and tell them a bit about my past, they are always completely surprised when I tell them "well, you know, there was a time when I did not want to leave the house because I felt so ugly and undesirable and I was sure everyone would just start to make fun of me when I set one foot out the door."
Then they look at me and see a confident and attractive woman. They don't know that the fears of the 20 year old are still there, to some extent, I just don't let them rule my life anymore.
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Old 03-29-2012, 07:31 AM
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Well, Curlz picked up on some of my insecurities and we've been emailing back and forth about this subject: my reluctance to open up completely because I fear that to him, I'm just a transitional thing, while he's getting over a rough divorce, and getting ready for a new primary relationship.

He's a really honest and down to earth guy who would never say things just to reassure me. I know that I have to deal with these things myself.. it's my own head playing tricks on me. But sometimes its just really hard.

I'm seeing him again next week (we live in different cities, and work and living arangements make it difficult to see each other more than once a week) and I'm really looking forward to that.. I also know that when I just see him and can hold him and talk to him, most of my fears will melt away.

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I met a friend for drinks last night. She's married, but although she and her spouse are a great couple and best friends and will never split up, their relationship has not been sexual for years. They both occasionally have lovers. She was the first person I ever met who told me about living like this, way before my husband and I were talking about opening up our marriage. So I always looked at her as someone with experience, and sort of looked up to her. Last night she made me sad because there seems to be no progress in their situation. Her current lover lives in another country, she says she doesn't have the energy to meet anybody new, and that maybe she should try to make it work with her husband again?
As I was driving home I felt so very grateful for the fact that Ren and I are so close, share so much love, are still physically attracted to each other.. and also grateful that I took, and am still taking, so many bold plunges into unknown depths.
I want to explore so much, and I feel very lucky that I am taking the time and spending the energy on this journey of discoveries. Even though its not always easy.
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:26 PM
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Had some good talks with Ren about his relationship with Lou and why I feel threatened by some aspects of it. It's interesting that it did not bother me one bit that they went on vacation together (twice) but that it bothers me a lot that she's spending so much time at our house whenever she's in town (her own place is not suitable for sleepovers).
I'm never at the house when she's here (I'm at work, with friends, or with 1 of my lovers) but I know when she's there, and it bothers me. There seem to more signs of her presence after every visit. Little things left behind in different rooms. A bottle of shampoo in the bathroom. Things like that. Those constant reminders.. upset me.

I'm going away for a week pretty soon (by myself) and I've asked Ren not to let her stay over for more than 2 nights in a row. I wanted to say 1 night, but I compromised because I can see how nice that would be, to maybe have a whole day and 2 nights together. He said he will keep this in mind.
Is it wrong of me to want to hear him say: ok, I'll arrange it like that? This way, I feel that he won't commit.. and that if she wants to stay the whole week, he will let her, and he only has to say to me: I tried to do it your way, but it did not work out.

I think I need a promise from him before I leave, or I'll just keep wondering about it..
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amazing story would love to hear more. thats intense and i feel like we can learn from you.
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I had to have two teeth pulled the past year, 6 months apart, and both times my regular dentist was not available and I was treated by another, very cute, dentist in the same practice. Handsome and with a great sense of humour which made the whole ordeal slightly more bearable.
Heh-heh! Thanks for that! Hey Cleo, so nice to see your name come up in the How Are You Doing thread - haven't heard from you in a long while. Miss your posts. Howzabout an update on your blog? What's going on in your life lately?
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Old 12-06-2015, 06:59 PM
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well! yes, it's been ages since I updated this blog. I'm not sure I want to get back to writing and updating regularly, but as the year is drawing to a close I am thinking about all that's happened and kind of taking score, and thought I'd fill in this huge gap between january 2014 and today... almost 2 years, unbelievable!

Ren (husband) and I are still good. We have good months and not so good months, but that's the normal ebb and flow of a 20+ year relationship I guess. Right now we're in a really good period and I'm enjoying it lots! He is still with his GF Lou, the one I don't like and trust for many reasons - I never see her, she only comes to the house when I'm not here. The past year, we've managed to have very little tension or disagreements about that though. He's been seeing another woman for about a year and a half now. I really like her and she sometimes spends the night when I'm also home. She is long distance, as is Lou. But Ren doesn't mind that he doesn't see them very often, he needs an awful lot of me-time

So, Brig and I broke up summer 2014. I loved him, and we are still friends (though we don't see each other very often - it was an amicable break up for sure) but just weren't compatible at all sexually. Another thing was that while he liked the idea of poly, when it came down to the practical facts he was awkward and uncomfortable about it. The relationship sort of fizzled out without too many hard feelings.

I did get back together with Curlz in January 2014. I started spending weekends at his house again, we sometimes went away together, he came to my city and spent the night at my place. When I think back, and look at that time, I think that I was almost more in love with his house and the domesticity of our relationship than with him. He had such a lovely and well cared for house and had a real knack for creating atmosphere - wine and candles and good food and clean, nice smelling sheets etc... I just loved spending time there, and he was always very attentive, asking many questions, very good at my love language Quality Time...But yeah, two things were a continous frustration: the fact that the sex was pretty impossible, and the fact that he was always breaking up and getting back together with his other (single, mono)GF. I finally broke up with him in the fall of 2015 and while I do still miss him sometimes, it's been a relief.

MrBrown and I are at a standstill. I think at this point we are friends who don't see each other very often. I don't want a sexual relationship with him anymore. It's complicated, it hurts, I miss him, but right now I am glad that we are not communicating - I just can't deal with his fierce autonomy. I think he is a relationship anarchy posterchild, and while I have RA aspirations, the way he does it is not really how I want to become.

Knight is still my platonic boyfriend. We tried to be less platonic twice, summer 2014 and last summer as well. But I think we both know that that is not the way for us. I love him deeply and I am so glad he is in my life. We see each other about once every 2 or 3 months for one evening. It's intense, he inspires me, lifts me up, he knows me and sees me, and I think we have an amazing connection that I value very very much.

And ! I've been in a new relationship for over a year now. I suppose I should give him a nickname in case I do start updating more regularly! Hm. Bo, I guess. We met on OKC (he contacted me, he's 10 years younger, lives 10 minutes away. He's cute and funny and nerdy and adorable. He has another GF, a woman who is also married (with a small child no less) and he is in a D/s relationship with her, with him being the sub. This has been the cause of some, ha let's be honest, major anxiety - especially in the beginning when I was still uncertain about our connection and trying to feel out his intentions with me etc..
I have to say that he is an almost perfect poly partner. He treats us both as his equal partners and is completely open about everything. He talks to me about her and to her about me. I've met her a couple of times which has helped with the anxiety about the kink -because I could see she might be his Domme, she's also just a regular woman with her own stuff and shit to deal with. Bo has met my husband and sometimes comes over for dinner and spends the night - while I like relationships compartmentalized, and don't want kitchen table style poly, the fact that everybody knows everybody and is relaxed about it is really nice. Bo is completely committed to his poly life, and while I've known him, told his family, co workers and friends about it.

He's also one of the most sex positive guys I've ever dated, he adores me, and we have a ton of fun in the bedroom

So while things have been mostly good, it's also been a difficult year where I've struggled a lot with anxiety and depression. Sometimes triggered by relationship issues but also sometimes triggered by work and family stuff, and sometimes these anxiety rears its ugly head and I have no idea why and where it comes from. It sucks, that's for sure.
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Old 12-07-2015, 12:46 PM
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I am SO bad with dates... I did not break up with C fall of 2015, as I wrote, but fall of 2014, about 6 months after we got back together. It's a silly thing to correct but I just don't want it on record that our relationship dragged on for a year and a half when it was only 6 months!

So right now I have 2 relationships. I feel poly saturated, though I sometimes feel that there would be room for some sexual fun, especially now that MrBrown is out of the picture. He was the guy I experimented with most...
I've been chatting with a guy on OKC, he wants to meet. I told him not before January, but that in principle, i am interested. Still, I am not sure if I should date. I wonder if dating someone new (casually) is a good idea, with all the anxiety I am experiencing. I made a deal with myself that I had to be 'anxiety attack free' for at least 2 weeks before I would allow myself to date again. I've never managed that, the past 5 years or so....
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