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Old 01-25-2012, 08:23 PM
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I actually started talking about Franklin Voisseau's Poly Map in another thread, kind of as an aside, but it seems that that's the part of my post that got people's attention, so I'm creating a thread for it here. Here's Franklin's Poly Map:


And here's where some people have already commented on it:
http://www.polyamory.com/forum/showthread.php?p=121976

It got some mixed reviews. But I think we shouldn't dump the baby out with the bathwater; if there's some parts that aren't that great or some parts that are missing, I think we could make a better one right here :-)
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Old 01-25-2012, 08:26 PM
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Replying to a message from the thread that I originally brought the Poly Map up in...

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I find that chart mildly offensive. Then again, I find many of Franklins' points lacking.
Could you be more specific? Maybe we could make a better chart.

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According to this chart anyone 'like me' is wandering around in some abyss, that does not exist.
Well, Franklin's updated the chart more then once; I think it could be said that it's a work in progress...

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It also has a vibe of 'If it ain`t poly, it`s crap !'
Why you think that?
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Most of the answers to your questions, can be found in the reply I have to Phy in the original thread. We were musing. Though I`m sure many will be interested in this being its own thread too. That part ( the chart.) of your response was singled out, much like 99% of posts have one aspect that gets another user`s attention. Itas just how it works.

Might have something to do with the big-ass chart taking up most of my screen too. A little hard to ignore.
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Old 01-25-2012, 11:30 PM
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Most of the answers to your questions, can be found in the reply I have to Phy in the original thread. We were musing.
Ok.

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Though I`m sure many will be interested in this being its own thread too. That part ( the chart.) of your response was singled out, much like 99% of posts have one aspect that gets another user`s attention. Itas just how it works.

Might have something to do with the big-ass chart taking up most of my screen too. A little hard to ignore.
Lol, true :-)
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Responding to SourGirl's post in the other thread...

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I definitely see the attempt at humour, but maybe I am a little jaded on the amount of people who promote his version like the bible. So I admittedly roll my eyes a bit.
Laugh :-)

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It all starts feeling cult-like sometimes, watching people with their one-true-franklin-way.
Let's make our own cult! Seriously, how hard could it be to do a few modifications of that chart?

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Which really isn`t his fault. He`s just another bloke, with an opinion. He went to the extensive trouble, of creating an in-depth site and opinion,....which I think, is what people find satisfaction in.
Yeah, I think it's a good starting point. I love editing actually. I'm not sure if I'd do a good job editing a graphic, but editing text has always been something I've liked doing (you may notice that a lot of my posts end up edited :-p).

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Like most things, not all people and all situations can be accounted for. My response is based on the fact that my experiences has led me to realize, most people feel 'pushed' to chose either being poly, or being a swinger. The reality usually is, that most people either land 'in the middle' or find things to be situation specific to the people involved.
I`ve read all the arguments for years, over how we are either like some horny monkey, or some loin-cloth breeder-tribe. I agree with neither.
Lol :-). Your reasoning reminds me of this song:
La Roux - Tigerlily

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Environment tends to dictate our reactions. If you cage/corral any animal, ( forced monogamy being our default cage ) and one day show them the door/gate is open,..most are going to run through it, and a few might hold back in fear. Eventually, those that held back, sniff around and make decisions, and those who ran through the gate, ...well many of them realize the pasture wasn`t any greener, it just offered different scenery. Some realize they are monogamous. Some realize they want to hang out around the gate, Others feel full-blown poly pride. It`s actualy quite divided.
Makes sense. I started yearning for my friend to be poly (he had a girlfriend, I wanted some -.-), but I truly became poly when I found that I loved 2 sisters and I didn't want to choose between them.

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So, seeing that happen with people on a regular basis, I ask myself, how is the chart not flawed ? If he has 'open' labelled for people who fuck, but dont have feelings,.. Then where is the umbrella portion, of non-monogamy ? Shouldn`t the whole thing be enveloped in a large circle that says non-monogamy, at the least ? Then you could at least fit your situation in there:

" All you complicated folks go here-----> X"
You go girl :-)! Like the above song says...

"I can see you burning with desire For a kiss
Psychobabble all upon your lips".

I like, laugh :-). I admit I'm not really sure what you're saying. It's hard for me to think of a graphic without looking at it, and I'm looking at what you wrote :-p. Ideally, we could all get together in real space and make a new map, but alas, we're probably thousands of miles apart or something. Anyway, maybe one day I'll try to edit that map.. yep.. any day now, laugh :-).

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I`d say it doesn`t because much like his other supposed tongue-n-cheek stuff,...the humour is boiled in his own truths.
The humour is boiled in his own truths.. again.. not sure what you mean by that ;-).

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This was not a rant at you Phy, just me babbling about something I have long wondered.
OMG, you even said babble, ha ha ha ha :-). Sorry.. psychobabble.. babble.. don't mind me.. I'll be going now
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Old 01-25-2012, 11:53 PM
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So did I, laugh :-). Ok, maybe [the chart can be] mildly offensive... I have a feeling that I might not see this so much because I'm a guy. But we could make our own chart.
I`m looking forward to this explanation.
I sense a trap Honestly, I'm not sure.. like I said, it was a feeling. Feel free to come up with theories though ;-).
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Could you be more specific? Maybe we could make a better chart.



Well, Franklin's updated the chart more then once; I think it could be said that it's a work in progress...



Why you think that?

But my opinion of the author is extremely low, mostly because of his attitude exactly like the one shown in this "diagram" , which I do not blame anybody one bit for feeling it is offensive. It's my opinion that he crosses lines and does so in very subtle ways, subtle enough that he denies employing the very subtlety which people would find offensive.

Unless each and every one of his "attempts" at humor, are direct references to him, he isn't being funny he is being an asshole. Sex, sexuality, sex acts etc..., are all things which the author doesn't seem to have any respect for peoples privacy and that is extremely offensive. Because unless he had permission from the people he referenced I would say he has absolutely no right to violate a persons most personally intimate private moments, not for any reason.

It's been my experience that he pretends not to understand how anyone could see violating another's personal privacy as offensive, only he does not just come right out and directly say it. So becoming frustrated on top of offended is what typically happens which is not a good combination when attempting to resolve a conflict, esp one that is based on matters of respect and privacy.

That's just my very biased view on the author and the subjects that he views as funny, whether it's "ha-ha funny" or "funny queer" doesn't matter because in my mind, he shows no respect at all to humor and or comedy and even less to LGBT people, and he seems to do so in very indirect, subtle ways which when denied makes it impossible for any resolution to come from discussions.

Effectively making any and all discussions deleterious
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But my opinion of the author is extremely low, mostly because of his attitude exactly like the one shown in this "diagram" , which I do not blame anybody one bit for feeling it is offensive. It's my opinion that he crosses lines and does so in very subtle ways, subtle enough that he denies employing the very subtlety which people would find offensive.

Unless each and every one of his "attempts" at humor, are direct references to him, he isn't being funny he is being an asshole. Sex, sexuality, sex acts etc..., are all things which the author doesn't seem to have any respect for peoples privacy and that is extremely offensive. Because unless he had permission from the people he referenced I would say he has absolutely no right to violate a persons most personally intimate private moments, not for any reason.
My guess is that some if not all of the comments he made were made up, but you can always ask him yourself if you really want to know. I don't find his humour offensive, in fact I like it, but to each their own.

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It's been my experience that he pretends not to understand how anyone could see violating another's personal privacy as offensive, only he does not just come right out and directly say it. So becoming frustrated on top of offended is what typically happens which is not a good combination when attempting to resolve a conflict, esp one that is based on matters of respect and privacy.

That's just my very biased view on the author and the subjects that he views as funny, whether it's "ha-ha funny" or "funny queer" doesn't matter because in my mind, he shows no respect at all to humor and or comedy and even less to LGBT people, and he seems to do so in very indirect, subtle ways which when denied makes it impossible for any resolution to come from discussions.

Effectively making any and all discussions deleterious
All I can say is that I spoke to the author briefly and found him to be an amiable guy.
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