"Course we still haven't tackled the question of whether sex in public is okay. Well: sex is just as natural as nudity, isn't it? and the people having sex aren't hurting me, are they? So I'm not sure the two issues are entirely separate."
I agree that sex is also a natural activity YES EVEN SAME SEX SEXUAL RELATIONS IS NATURAL, don't believe me then look up dolphins, it happens in nature naturally yes.~ -.-
But being as you were born is not "doing" ANYTHING except existing, a penis or a vagina is NOT "having sex" if it is just lying there.~
The two concepts are exclusive except when they interact.~
"Look, maybe nudity isn't about "ugliness" (especially since some nude folks would be pretty cool to behold); it's about what's suitable to expose children to and at what age.
Does that in turn relate to how young a child could appropriately be when he/she first has sex described to him/her? Don't be too quick to cry "hijack;" I'm not 100% sure it's off-topic."
What is this babbling about "appropriate time exposure to sexuality" for children? According to even our own government's Department of Health and Human Services,
"(CNSNews.com) – The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is offering advice to parents and teens about sex education, including assurances that teens may “experiment” with homosexuality as part of “exploring their own sexuality,” and that masturbation should be of concern only “if a child seems preoccupied with it to the exclusion of other activities.”"
"The information, located on a “Questions and Answers About Sex” link on the “Quick Guide to Healthy Living” portion of the HHS Web site, also describes children and infants as “sexual beings.”
Under the question “When Do Kids Start Becoming Curious About Sex?” the answer notes that infants have curiosity about their bodies.
“Children are human beings and therefore sexual beings,” the Q&A Web page says. “It's hard for parents to acknowledge this, just as it's hard for kids to think of their parents as sexually active. But even infants have curiosity about their own bodies, which is healthy and normal.”"
See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/hhs-....3Ey7BGyq.dpuf
"My mom was known to practice some nudity in my childhood home. I gotta tell ya, that's not one of my happier memories. Bad visual!
On the other hand, my younger brother once wandered too near the door to the master bedroom when my folks were going at it. He heard some exclamations from my father that were hard to misinterpret. Permanent damage!
Then there was the time that my oldest brother's first wife decided to try water-skiing with nothing but her garments on. Bad wet T-shirt contest. I'm pretty sure everyone on the boat was permanently traumatized. Don't worry though, she viewed herself as nothing less than a ravishing sex goddess.
Perhaps there's a difference between freedom and decency? I'm free to join a KKK group, but it's not a very nice thing to do. So what behaviors improve the human environment? and what about the kids?"
I assume you are joking, because "mental damage" as a result of learning of natural processes is a result of horrible parenting and truly damaging brainwashing.~
"You can't always say that "the natural thing to do" is the best, wisest, or most loving (e.g. self-loving) thing to do. Most people cut their fingernails -- which contradicts Nature's "plans" for those fingernails. Are nail clippers a self-hating invention? I'm sure most of us have seen pictures of what life looks like without nail clippers. A few people prefer their nails that way, and well, I guess all the more power to them.
Is it natural to take a shower? to use soap? deodorant? By doing these things, are we exercising hatred for our natural bodies? By not doing these things, are we hurting anyone? What about make-up, and jewelry? Could clothing be compared to jewelry?
Teaching each other to be ashamed of our nude selves per se seems to be a problem, although "shame" rather than "hate" still seems to me to be the more proportionately-accurate word. But I don't know how to solve all these other complicated problems."
It's not about what is "most natural" at all times, but what is the most beneficial and there is far more evidence of raising children to be open-minded about natural things being far more beneficial for them and on the contrary raising them to be "traditionally ashamed of every thing natural about themselves and about other people or just every thing in general" actually has produced evidence of psychological damage and mental issues later on in life.~