Originally Posted by Tonberry
On top of that, you have done it again: you have insinuated that trans women aren't women from birth. They happen to have a penis, but that doesn't mean they're not women (well, they'd start up as girls, obviously, but you know what I mean).
Im not insinuating it, I'm saying it explicitly: trans women aren't women from birth. I don't see how anyone can dispute the fact that a baby born with a penis is not a woman from birth.
My point was that some men are fine with this and some aren't, but you should have the right to know something as fundamental as gender before you meet someone.
The analogy wasn't meant to be about is ownership, but about expecting one thing and getting another.