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Old 03-07-2012, 01:30 AM
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Did you read the article excerpted from and linked to in the OP of the thread?
Yes.
Alright. So what do you think of the passage that I just re-quoted from it?

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I also think that sex can frequently be seen as something like dessert; it's great, but in order to be in a place where it's great, you have to do hard work;
No you don't. Seen it go down without those things many a time. People like to fuck.
I agree with that, but you cut that quote off mid sentence. The rest of it went: "you need money (or commodities) in order to survive and work has to be done to get them."

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...I think that for many in today's society, finding a woman that wants to be with them sexually without a money inducement can be difficult if not impossible. As you say, some of the reasons for this may be a crap attitude, an unkempt body or them just not being attractive to women. People can certainly improve in these areas.
And if they do not, I don't have enough sympathy to promote the buying of someones' body for them any more than I would give a baby to every couple who is physically incapable of doing so naturally but decides they want a child anyway. Some people are just not parent material and no amount of money should compensate for that lack.
I agree that not everyone who wants to be a parent should be one, but having sex is not the same as becoming a parent. I believe I saw a program on TV that spoke of a program run in the Netherlands that has a program wherein a nurse actually engages in sex work for old men who really don't have much of a chance of getting a girlfriend at their age.

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I don't think prostitutes should be arrested for making money via sex but that isn't what makes this tacky to me. Its the buying side of things. Even in places where prostitution is legal, human trafficking still happens. Comparing this to relationships of any kind involving consenting sex is a gloss over to make it more palatable.
I think you're conflating various things that shouldn't be. For starters, let's define human trafficking. Wikipedia defines it as:
"Human trafficking is the illegal trade of human beings for the purposes of reproductive slavery, commercial sexual exploitation, forced labor, or a modern-day form of slavery."

These are all clearly harmful things. But many have argued that criminalizing prostitution actually makes the problem worse. Here's an excerpt from an article at liberator.net titled Legalized Prostitution - Regulating the Oldest Profession:

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Benefits of Legalization

Currently most everywhere in the United States, our legal system penalizes prostitutes and their customers for what they do as consenting adults. Money is still spent on law enforcement efforts to catch prostitutes and their customers. Once caught, justice departments have to process these people through very expensive systems.
What are the end results? Police personnel and courtrooms are overburdened with these cases, having little or no impact on prostitution. The prostitutes and their customers pay their fines and are back to the streets in no time in a revolving door process. Catch and release may work for recreational fishing but it has no deterring affect on prostitution.

Making prostitution legal will allow the act to be managed instead of ignored. Pimps and organized crime figures, who regularly treat their workers on subhuman levels, would no longer control women. In some countries, prostitute rings buy and sell women on the black market, force their women to comply through violence and create unhealthy working conditions. When prostitutes operate independently and in secret, many times they become abused by their own customers.

Legalizing prostitution would prevent underground prostitution that occurs today. When men want to pay for sex, they find prostitutes. These people work in massage parlors, escort services, strip bars and modeling agencies or still work corners as traditional streetwalkers. There are legitimate parlors, dating services, bars and agencies but of the hundreds that exist within newspaper classified advertisements and telephone directories, there are a large number that provide sexual services. A routine search through Google's Internet news engine for 'prostitution' routinely reveals connections between prostitution and these falsetto agencies (Google, 2004).

It is estimated that 100,000 to 3 million teens are nearly invisibly prostituted per year in the United States (Walker, 2002). If we allow prostitution to remain hidden from view and basically invisible to the law as it is today, we allow a number of teens to be swept up into prostitution every year. When adult women decide to exchange money for sex, it is a personal choice open to them under the philosophy of a free, democratic society. When troubled minors who do not yet have the social survival skills decide to prostitute, they are often manipulated by opportunists who exploit these teens, typically leading to horrific ends. Legalizing prostitution will help prevent these instances through regulation.

Legalized, regulated prostitution has many benefits. Encounters can happen within controlled environments that bring about safety for both the customers and the prostitutes. Prostitutes would no longer be strong-armed by pimps or organized crime rings. Underage prostitution would be curtailed. There would also be health-safety improvements.
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Is the author being too optimistic? Perhaps. That being said, some countries have decriminalized and even legalized it and I think the results have been positive. Here's an paper on Australia's decriminalization of it:
http://action.web.ca/home/catw/attac...n_proof_01.pdf

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Saying someone not being able to get sex as easily as someone else should be a problem to solve with money sounds a whole lot like thinking a banker pulling loan fraud to get the same car his buddy who didn't resort to fraud is sound logic.
I think that money doesn't have to be inherently bad. I'm also sure that there are decent people who wouldn't mind having sex with even difficult people if they were properly compensated. I've said it before and I stand by it; sex can and is a form of therapy. This is why sex surrogates exist.

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I think that a large part of the problem is our society itself, with all these notions that you can only be in love with one person. Personally, the fear that a woman will become possessive with me is a large part of the reason that I frequently don't even try with most women.
But you wouldn't be with the woman you fear wants to possess you if she sweetens the deal with some money would you?
Laugh :-). That really depends. I know that today, sexual surrogacy is a very complicated process, but I think that it could be streamlined in the future. Basically, if society at one point decides that sex really can be a form of therapy (and assuming that I wanted to become a sex surrogate), I could see it happening, so long as the woman understood that her feelings of possessiveness were something to be worked on instead of something that is well and good.

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What if you were desperate? Would you do it then? What if this was always an option people offered for consideration to you in times of monetary strife?
For me, some things are more important than survival, so to answer your question I'd have to say that it really depends on what exactly would be involved.

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Or are we joking about retaining the ability to pay a prostitute to leave rather than for the sex?
To leave? Can you elaborate on this?

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Is it poor form if the sex worker lets the client know the sex act is one done of desperation or do they usually wait for the client to ask? Do you ask?
The one and only time that I hired a sex worker in Mexico was about 16 years ago. I was 20 years old and I had been a virgin up until that point. She did mention that she was doing it to pay for a sick relative after the act took place. I don't know if it's true, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. I didn't mind her telling me and I would have been open to the idea of having her as a girlfriend instead of simply being her client, but I was there on vacation and I never went back.

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I have lurked on here for over a year and never seen this purchaser and purchasee element fondly remembered when people talk happily about their relationships and I find it odd for it to be compared to them.
I agree that it's not that common, but it seems clear that you just didn't meet enough people. Vinceenzo, meet feelyunicorn :-). I know atleast one other person in this forum who feels this way, but he hasn't yet posted in this forum.
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